Yeah, you could switch to athletics or rugby or tennis or.…… .oh wait.……
Doping in other sports
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Pro Tour Punditry
Guru
Not interest in athletics or tennis, and getting that way about rugby as well (certainly at pro level)
Captain Slackbladder
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Steve Cram has been as outspoken as any over the subject. As for others, they're all on the BBC gravy train so they've got cushy jobs to protect. On the other side of the coin I'm not sure what they can come out and say without tying themselves and possibly the BBC in legal wranglings...
Crammy is pretty unequivocal. Robbie Hatch says as much as he can within legal limits too IMO. I tweeted him the other day about Visconti and he later mentioned his chequered past, although I can't claim that it was because of me! He mentioned Zakarin's doping past too on more than one occasion.
For obvious reasons, it's harder to speculate that Landa or Tiralongo are probably juiced given how they're riding on any given day.
For obvious reasons, it's harder to speculate that Landa or Tiralongo are probably juiced given how they're riding on any given day.
Captain Slackbladder
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Totally clean folks...
Nike are bunch of opportunistic shítes.
Flying_Monkey
Recyclist
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The same company implicated in the FIFA bribery scandals and of course behind Salazar's Oregon Project.
Yep, not forgetting Armstrong, either. They had to be dragged into ending their association with him
Both companies initially stood by Armstrong, even after he lost his titles. This summer, Nike said that the athlete stated his innocence and had been unwavering on his position
http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/17/news/companies/nike-lance-armstrong/
Pro Tour Punditry
Guru
The others choose not to be outspoken - smile, deny, take the money. Disgraceful. As bad as the dopers.
Pro Tour Punditry
Guru
Fastest ever marathon times: 26/30 in past 5 years, not all of them by the race winners! Smells like EPO spirit...
Pro Tour Punditry
Guru
The time has come to stop relying on science to provide us with "proof", science has failed sport both in terms of providing the means to cheat and not having the ability to detect the means when it is applied. An ethics approach is required, let's stop pissing about. It's far too comfortable for us all to think "well, there is no real proof, so let's give them the benefit of the doubt" when what we really should be doing is saying "get these feckers out of sport now". Many (most?) professions have an ethics-based approach to sanctions, and there is no reason the same cannot be applied to sport.
HF2300
Insanity Prawn Boy
This is one of the reasons I don't like seeing unrepentant dopers in cycling (or any sport, for that matter). If you have people in the sport who don't see the issue and don't see a problem with their behaviour, you're never going to create a climate or ethos where doping is seen as unacceptable; particularly when those unrepentant dopers are in positions of authority as directeurs sportif, coaches or team managers.
deptfordmarmoset
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Would that that were true. It's probably a pretty safe assumption that where there's money there's lawyers, and where there are lawyers, issues will hang upon ''proof''. Ethics gets relegated to the stuff of character witnesses.
You still have to catch and discourage them don't you?
Making doping illegal and legislation to claw back money earned from doped performances would go some way to acting as a disincentive, though there are quite possibly pitfalls to that approach and they do it in other countries and people still dope. More pressure on sponsors but how is up for discussion, making them liable in some way or encouraging them to sue to get their monies back from convicted dopers would be a big disincentive too. It's about changing the climate, as you say.