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mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
Not a bad take on it. But I am still puzzled by the "interrupting my sleep" references - tell your partner not to pick early times then you twonk.
http://velonews.competitor.com/2016/08/news/domestique-partner-dealing-whereabouts_416879
How often are they allowed to vary which hour of the day they are available for random testing? Presumably too many 46-hour gaps (0000-0100 one day and 2300-0000 the next) would arouse suspicion.
"It emerged last night she did so after British Cycling sent an email to all riders in February last year telling them to include room numbers on their whereabouts information, advice also given on the website of UK Anti-Doping."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics...arned-by-british-cycling-before-missed-drugs/
If that's anything like most BC bulk emails, it may well have gone to the spam folder...

There's a complete silence from Boels-Dolmans in twitterland. Not a thing.
I seem to recall an interview (probably http://thecyclingpodcast.com/podcast/6-the-lizzie-armitstead-interview ) where LA said she liked being on Boels-Dolmans because they leave her alone out of race times and let her coach herself. That doesn't seem so clever to me any more. :sad:
 

Flying_Monkey

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Nicole Cooke thinks it's bullshit and on the whole when Nicole Cooke calls bullshit, it's bullshit.
 

smutchin

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CAS has reviewed the case and made a decision. They are not any old people, they are all legals and know the rules of evidence. So the decision stands.

Quite. I've read a number of comments suggesting that she needs to be more transparent and release travel documents so we can all see the evidence, but presumably she has already provided this evidence to CAS and they are the people she is beholden to, not us.

One thing was interesting, the tester is constantly referred to as "he". Now as anyone who has any experience of the process will know, sampling from females has to be done by a female. To put it delicately, to ensure that the sample comes from the right place and embarrassment is minimum.

I'm glad you mentioned this because it is also something that has been bothering me - I've been wondering if it was just a default 'he' in the reports or if they actually did send a male tester.

Nicole Cooke thinks it's bullshit and on the whole when Nicole Cooke calls bullshit, it's bullshit.

Maybe, but I doubt Nicole Cooke knows any more detail about the specifics of this case than the rest of us. She's right in general terms that missing three tests is inexcusable but she's notably very guarded in what she says specifically about Lizzie Armitstead, and rightly so.
 

oldroadman

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As published on Facebook by Lizzie A.
A brave and in my view, straightforward and honest women.
Whether the know-nothing opinion trolls will accept it, who knows.
I just hope she is able to put in a brilliant performance in a few days, although I fear that all this pressure from media and internet comment may have had a bad effect on morale. Let's hope it has the opposite effect, energises her Yorkshire grit and use that wonderful talent to batter 'em all.

I am writing this statement in my own words, something I have wanted to do from the very beginning. Understandably people have questions which I want to answer ...as openly and honest as I can. I hope people understand that speaking with journalists is a necessary part of my job, speaking directly to the public in a statement like this, which has not been ghost written or moulded by somebody else is un heard of. I want to take responsibility for this message, this is my life and not a game of headlines. I want to state the facts but also try to explain my situation further. I believe I owe this statement to sports fans, people who love sport like I do.

As an 18 year old school girl I was introduced to the whereabouts system. 9 years ago. Since then the system has evolved and developed, post October 2015 I recognised this and requested further education from UKAD, I will come back to this later.

By submitting my whereabouts I am consenting to people coming into my house or hotel and taking blood and urine samples. This is a part of my sport that I accept and whole heartedly support.

To add some background before I explain the specific details of my 3 'strikes'.
I have been tested 16 times in 2016.
I have a clear and valid blood passport (a more detailed use of looking for doping violations by looking for trends vs anomalies in my blood values)
I have been tested after every victory this season.
I am on the road for around 250 days a year, with around 60 race days.
I have never tested positive for a banned substance.
I have never taken a band substance.

I will present the facts of my 3 'strikes'

Sweden 20th August 2015

UKAD are allowed a maximum of 2 weeks to inform you of a 'strike'. When I received the letter from UKAD I immediately contested it with a written explanation, this was not accepted on the eve of me travelling to America for my world championships. I had no legal advise or external support at the time.

Last week:
CAS ruled quickly and unanimously in my favour and cleared me of any wrong doing, because:
I was at the hotel I stated.
The DCO didn't do what was reasonable or necessary to find me.
I was tested the next day, this test was negative.
Calling an athletes mobile phone is not a method approved by UKAD to try and locate an athlete, as such it is not an argument against me that I slept with my phone on silent in order not to disturb a room mate.

Put simply I was available and willing to provide a sample for UKAD.

2nd 'strike' October 2015

Despite being reported as a 'missed test' this was in fact a 'filing failure'
UKAD did not try to test me, instead this was an administrative spot check. They found an inconsistency between an overnight accommodation and a morning time slot.
A busy post world championship period meant I had no firm plans and as such was changing address and plans very quickly. I made a mistake. This was an honest mistake rather than trying to deceive anybody. A mistake that many athletes who are honest with themselves will admit to having made themselves. I was Tested by UKAD later that week and produced a negative result.

In December 2015 I met with UKAD and British cycling to discuss a support plan in order to avoid a 3rd potential 'strike'
Simon Thornton from British Cycling was put in place to check my whereabouts on a bi weekly basis. We had regular contact and he would help me with any problems, effectively he was a fail safe mechanism. Since meeting with UKAD my whereabouts updates have been as detailed and specific as they can possibly be. Going as far as I can in describing my locations to avoid any further issues.

Unfortunately this system fell apart on the 9th of June when UKAD tried to test me in my hour slot and I was not where I had stated I would be. Simon Thornton had left BC 3 weeks prior to my strike without anybody informing me. We worked under a policy of 'no news was good news' as outlined in my support plan with UKAD. If Simon was still in place the following oversight could have been prevented. My over night accommodation ( the bed in which I was sleeping the morning of the test) was correct, but I had failed to change the one hour testing slot, it was clearly impossible to be in both locations.
This is where I believe I have the right to privacy. My personal family circumstances at the time of the test were incredibly difficult, the medical evidence provided in my case was not contested by UKAD, they accepted the circumstances I was in. UKAD did not perceive my situation to be 'extreme' enough to alleviate me of a negligence charge. A physiatrist assessment of my state of mind at the time was contrary. In my defence I was dealing with a traumatic time and i forgot to change a box on a form. I am not a robot, I am a member of a family, my commitment to them comes over and above my commitment to cycling. This will not change and as a result I will not discuss this further, our suffering does not need to be part of a public trial. I hope I have made it clear that family comes before cycling, I am not obsessively driven to success in cycling, I love my sport, but I would never cheat for it.

To conclude:
I currently have 1 filing failure and 1 missed test.
The reason this hasn't been discussed publicly until now is because I had the right to a fair trial at CAS, it is clear sensationalised headlines have a detrimental effect to any legal case.

In the days following the revelations in the press my family and I have been the victim of some incredibly painful comments. I ask people to take a moment to put themselves in my shoes, I am an athlete trying to do my best, I am a clean athlete. I am the female road race world champion, I operate in a completely different environment to the majority of athletes in the testing pool. I am self coached, I work outside British cycling and its systems, I race for a women's team that doesn't have a budget to match a world tour men's team who have staff specifically in place to supports riders with whereabouts. I don't wish to make excuses, i made one mistake which was noticed in a 'spot check' my second strike came at a time when anybody who lives for and loves their family would understand my oversight. It's as simple as ticking the wrong box on a form.

I love sport and the values it represents, it hurts me to consider anybody questioning my performances. Integrity is something I strive for in every part of my life. I will hold my head high in Rio and do my best for Great Britain, I am sorry for causing anyone to lose faith in sport, I am an example of what hard work and dedication can achieve. I hate dopers and what they have done to sport.

To any of the 'Twitter army' reading this, do yourself a favour and go for a bike ride. It's the most beautiful thing you can do to clear your mind.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next

Yes, those are the rules, but I don't see the protocol that should be followed by testers there - have I overlooked it?

Sweden 20th August 2015

UKAD are allowed a maximum of 2 weeks to inform you of a 'strike'. When I received the letter from UKAD I immediately contested it with a written explanation, this was not accepted on the eve of me travelling to America for my world championships. I had no legal advise or external support at the time.

...which doesn't seem consistent with...

http://www.cyclist.co.uk/news/1526/...-rio-after-winning-appeal-against-anti-doping

"Ms Armitstead chose not to challenge the first and second Whereabouts Failures at the time they were asserted against her."
... unless they somehow dismissed her challenge of that first Failure as invalid and not an admissable challenge somehow?
 

400bhp

Guru
Because it was not written by a press officer or lawyer. Reads to me like a statement from someone untrained in media, but trying to give an honest point of view. Training for journalistic style writing was not a requirement for being world champion when I last looked.

No you're correct. Neither is an IQ test. I had incorrectly assumed she was intelligent.
 
To any of the 'Twitter army' reading this, do yourself a favour and go for a bike ride. It's the most beautiful thing you can do to clear your mind.

Dear Ms Armitstead, my head is already clear, had yours been you may not have made a bollox of your obligations in terms of testing.

I'm so glad that all the other athletes in the world who manage to comply with the obligations don't have a love for their family nor do they try their best and have to do pesky things like train and survive in the "real world"...

P.S. you might want to have a word with your fiancé when it comes to his use of twitter
 
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smutchin

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... unless they somehow dismissed her challenge of that first Failure as invalid and not an admissable challenge somehow?

Yes, possibly a case of not following the correct procedure for making a challenge, hence UKAD didn't record it as such, which is kind of ironic given what has subsequently happened.

In cases like this, I'm always keen to look for the facts where they're available, hence the various posts upthread citing the rules - these are the elements we can be certain of. Unfortunately, when you get both sides making contradictory statements, what you are left with is speculation. It will be interesting to read the reasoned decision from CAS to hear their take on the disputed Whereabouts Failure, but I guess we'll never know the full and complete facts of what happened in that hotel on 20th August last year, or what Armitstead did or didn't do to challenge the strike.
 
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smutchin

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I'm so glad that all the other athletes in the world who manage to comply with the obligations don't have a love for their family nor do they try their best and have to do pesky things like train and survive in the "real world"...

Wiggins has often mentioned how in 2012 he had to pretty much sacrifice all family life for a whole year for cycling. And Boardman has talked about how his dedication to cycling nearly ruined his marriage, which was part of the reason he retired when he did. It must be tough to find a balance. I don't think being a pro cyclist really is compatible with living in the 'real world'.
 
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She says:
Simon Thornton from British Cycling was put in place to check my whereabouts on a bi weekly basis. We had regular contact and he would help me with any problems

and
Simon Thornton had left BC 3 weeks prior to my strike without anybody informing me

So if they were in contact bi-weekly (is that twice a week, or every 2 weeks??) , and he hadn't contacted her in 3 weeks then would she not have thought to try to contact him?
Seems a bit odd to me with so much at stake for her not to have a potential third missed test.
 

SWSteve

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She says:


and


So if they were in contact bi-weekly (is that twice a week, or every 2 weeks??) , and he hadn't contacted her in 3 weeks then would she not have thought to try to contact him?
Seems a bit odd to me with so much at stake for her not to have a potential third missed test.


That stuck out to me also.
 

400bhp

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Wiggins has often mentioned how in 2012 he had to pretty much sacrifice all family life for a whole year for cycling. And Boardman has talked about how his dedication to cycling nearly ruined his marriage, which was part of the reason he retired when he did. It must be tough to find a balance. I don't think being a pro cyclist really is compatible with living in the 'real world'.

Wiggins is married (to a non-cyclist) with kids. Boardman is married (to a non-cyclist) with kids.

LA doesn't have kids and is due to be married to another cyclist.

The real world is just nebulous. We all live in some bubble in one way or another.
 

HF2300

Insanity Prawn Boy
Wiggins is married (to a non-cyclist) with kids. Boardman is married (to a non-cyclist) with kids.

Not sure about Boardman, but Cath Wiggins was very quick in her day, particularly on the track, a member of the national junior squad, and still races now and again.
 
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Wiggins has often mentioned how in 2012 he had to pretty much sacrifice all family life for a whole year for cycling. And Boardman has talked about how his dedication to cycling nearly ruined his marriage, which was part of the reason he retired when he did. It must be tough to find a balance. I don't think being a pro cyclist really is compatible with living in the 'real world'.
Hence my use of "real world" rather than real world.

She sounds like she's playing the victim well; the sweet 18 year old schoolgirl, all alone with no help, the system failed her, a loving family for whom she demands privacy, heartfelt plea to understand just how much she does without support, she operates in an environment different to the majority of athletes (not sure where she gets that one from tbh), a psychiatrist assessment is mentioned, mistake, after honest mistake; she just about stops short of saying "think of the children...", but manages to have a dig at the "twitter army" (I think she means people expressing opinions on twitter rather than there actually being an actual army on twitter)
 
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