Don't understand training jargon

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VamP

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It's not my definition, just look it up for yourself. 'Anaerobic' literally means 'without oxygen' - in other words, an effort which relies totally on muscular performance, as opposed to aerobic capacity.

I don't need to look it up, the image I posted is the trainingpeaks definition. If you want to have an argument with Andy Coggan be my guest but I am going with his definition, as is pretty much everybody else.

Zone 7 is the sprint zone, also known as neuromuscular power. Almost universal consensus that this begins at around 150% of FTP. I can sustain 150% for just over two minutes. YMMV.
 

Rob3rt

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I don't need to look it up, the image I posted is the trainingpeaks definition. If you want to have an argument with Andy Coggan be my guest but I am going with his definition, as is pretty much everybody else.

Zone 7 is the sprint zone, also known as neuromuscular power. Almost universal consensus that this begins at around 150% of FTP. I can sustain 150% for just over two minutes. YMMV.

FTP set too low?

Edit: Nevermind, I made a booboo!
 
I don't need to look it up, the image I posted is the trainingpeaks definition. If you want to have an argument with Andy Coggan be my guest but I am going with his definition, as is pretty much everybody else.

Zone 7 is the sprint zone, also known as neuromuscular power. Almost universal consensus that this begins at around 150% of FTP. I can sustain 150% for just over two minutes. YMMV.

Look, you can call it 'anaerobic' if you like. It might be a convenient description for that zone (given that he had to call it something), but it doesn't alter the fact that it isn't strictly anaerobic. I'm just going by the dictionary definition and Dr Coggan's training zone titles have yet to influence the OED definitions panel... ;)
 

vickster

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Hey guys, you are turning this into a tech fest which is of no use whatsoever to stonechat. For those of us involved in racing it's all very interesting but we are in a minority and so of very little interest to most on CC. In any case there are very few absolutes in the human body and having been involved in coaching / training and competing for more years than I care to remember if there is one thing that I have learnt, it is that everyone is different and will respond in different ways to exercise.
All the OP really needs to do at this stage is longer rides and push a bit harder when they feel able to. The real trick is to do something most days, even if it isn't much, fitness will increase noticeably. The training plan is clearly nonsense. When the road bike comes, hill climbing will feel much easier, particularly out of the saddle. You could steal a march on most by learning to ride on the drops for a few minutes at a time, it saves a lot of energy particularly if you are on someone's wheel / into the wind. Most of all don't worry, I'll bet there will be hundreds who will struggle more than you, enjoy yourself!

:whistle:
 

VamP

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Which dictionary?

Anaerobic exercise is an exercise intense enough to trigger lactic acid formation. It is used by athletes in non-endurance sports to promote strength, speed and power and by body builders to build muscle mass. Muscle energy systems trained using anaerobic exercise develop differently compared to aerobic exercise, leading to greater performance in short duration, high intensity activities, which last from mere seconds to up to about 2 minutes.[1][2] Any activity lasting longer than about two minutes has a large aerobic metabolic component.[
Anaerobic metabolism, or anaerobic energy expenditure, is a natural part of whole-body metabolic energy expenditure.[3] Fast twitch muscle (as compared to slow twitch muscle) operates using anaerobic metabolic systems, such that any recruitment of fast twitch muscle fibers leads to increased anaerobic energy expenditure. Intense exercise lasting upwards of about four minutes (e.g., a mile race) may still have a considerable anaerobic energy expenditure component. Anaerobic energy expenditure is difficult to accurately quantify, although several reasonable methods to estimate the anaerobic component to exercise are available.[2][4][5]
 

VamP

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It may be a widely held belief on these boards that one must not repeat, deviate or in any other way challenge the audience beyond what is easily digestible by the original poster. I personally consider that to be a fairly boring and limiting way to propagate seemingly endless rehashing of same old truisms. So whistle away, but I am going to spend my time here in a way that interests me.
 

jay clock

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Agreed, massively OTT and going to terrify many intermediate cyclists
 

VamP

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Let's not get into 'dictionary wars' - I'm using a fairly standard definition of the word 'anaerobic'. Your cut n paste above is not incompatible with that definition, incidentally...

Alright, but can I now refer to 30 second efforts as sprints? ;)
 

50000tears

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Well no, the principles of overload and recovery apply the same to the fit and the unfit. It's just that the unfit will have lower absolute loads. Taking it easy just perpetuates staying unfit.

Whilst the absolute loads will be different the ability to recover from them will also differ. As your body gets used to the stresses placed on it it's ability to recover quicker improves and is sped up. This is why tour riders can do 150k+ stages across multiple days where we could not.

As a further example I did a tough ( for me) hill rep training on Friday which I still felt in my heavy legs on my Sunday ride. Now this was one of the very few hill sessions I have done so expected the achy legs. But I know that once I have finished the planned 6 week block of training including 2 hill rep sessions a week my body would have adapted to allow quicker recovery.

I personally would love nothing more than doing these sessions every day, but if my body cannot recover and adapt quickly enough then I am actually slowing progress and risking injury.
 

VamP

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Whilst the absolute loads will be different the ability to recover from them will also differ. As your body gets used to the stresses placed on it it's ability to recover quicker improves and is sped up. This is why tour riders can do 150k+ stages across multiple days where we could not.

As a further example I did a tough ( for me) hill rep training on Friday which I still felt in my heavy legs on my Sunday ride. Now this was one of the very few hill sessions I have done so expected the achy legs. But I know that once I have finished the planned 6 week block of training including 2 hill rep sessions a week my body would have adapted to allow quicker recovery.

I personally would love nothing more than doing these sessions every day, but if my body cannot recover and adapt quickly enough then I am actually slowing progress and risking injury.

No just the loads. The ability to recover is proportionally constant.
 
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