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IIRC gun barrels are rifled (a spiral pattern of grooves on the internal surface) to impart a spin on the round which improves accuracy. And because of minute variations in this, the marks on bullet casings will be unique to each gun.
 

classic33

Leg End Member
IIRC gun barrels are rifled (a spiral pattern of grooves on the internal surface) to impart a spin on the round which improves accuracy. And because of minute variations in this, the marks on bullet casings will be unique to each gun.
Spin stabilization.
 
Many thanks for the suggestions and information. Publishing isn't really on the cards; it's a method to survive the terminal boredom and excessive human interaction of working on the till for a couple of hours a day.

The story is set in December 1937, so the methods and weapons available will reflect this. There are two guns involved in the story, the Gewehr 98, with a cartridge (at least unless I find a more specialised German sniper rifle from this period) and the Japanese made Type 97 sniper rifle. The G88 used a 7.92×57mm cartridge and the Type 97 took a 6.5×50mm cartridge. Both of these are distinct from the .303/7.7mm cartridge used by the British Army at the time.

In the story the Type 97 is used to assassinate a policeman; the sniper hits on the second attempt, and the bullet that missed passes through the truck bulkhead to be found later in a damaged state when a colleague searches the truck. In a second assassination attempt on this colleague the sniper misses and hits a pile of grain sacks, allowing the shell to be retrieved in better condition. As the intended target of the assassination is a policeman he'll automatically want to identify the bullet, and those differences are fairly easy to recognise using a caliper tool.

The Gewehr 98 is fired by a German sniper, as covering fire. It is deliberately aimed at a wall next to the assassin, in order to hinder or prevent later identification of the bullet. As the sniper is firing over a distance of about 50m and the effective range of the rifle is about a kilometre, I expect the bullet will hit the wall with sufficient force to crush it. As it's a pretty mucky dockside it would be hard to find the remains in the general clutter.
 
Don't handle rounds bare handed. Even if you wipe them clean they can still get a lift off the brass as the grease in your fingerprint etches the surface. Google Dr John Bond for more info.

I knew I should have asked this before... I mean, thanks @Drago, very useful...

Be like me. I've two seperate sets of fingerprints.

The inked set didn't transfer over correctly. So using the current system they'd never match me.

Should I be surprised? Actually, I didn't think finger bones could give a print.

Or use a revolver, so there’s nothing ejected after the shot that you’d need to recover. DAMHIK

You're from Glasgow, 'nuff said.
 

Drago

Legendary Member
IIRC gun barrels are rifled (a spiral pattern of grooves on the internal surface) to impart a spin on the round which improves accuracy. And because of minute variations in this, the marks on bullet casings will be unique to each gun.

Although polygonal rifling is a thing now, particularly on high end handguns. Essentially, instead of being rifled the inner face of the barrel is polygonal in cross section, and then twisted to provide the rifling effect.

Also marks on the casing from the hammer/striker, chamber, and loading/ejection system can identify a casing as having been through a particular weapon.

Bear in mind that 7.62 long is a powerful round. There's a good likelihood it'll,pass though the target, any vehicle and houses behind him, and travel on for a good distance. It'll need to hit something pretty substantial to stop it dead - a solid 2 foot wall would likely do it- in which case the round may well be obliterated beyond usefulness. If it were fired on a downward trajectory it would pass through thentw4get and into the ground, so could be found and dug up (mine detectors?) with a fair chance it won't be mishapen.
 
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winjim

Smash the cistern
I'm not keen on firearms in real life but I do find them interesting from a sort of mechanical and technical point of view so I've been watching this bloke on the Royal Armouries YouTube channel which is quite good and might have some information. Be careful though, the algorithm now seems to think I'm a real gun nut and is recommending me some questionable content. If nothing else I can see how people get drawn down the rabbit hole. I think it all started because I watched a video about inaccuracies in the Saving Private Ryan sniper rifle. I might have posted that in the continuity thread.

https://youtube.com/@RoyalArmouries?si=5Jewv6eGbj-No9xU
 

lazybloke

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On a tour of Fan Bay artillery battery & deep shelter last summer, I saw this non-explosive shell that had been recovered after practice firing and returned as an exhibit.
The tour guide said the collar of the shell would originally have been smooth, but when fired it 'conformed' to the rifling in the barrel; and adopted the same pattern, as can be seen.

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classic33

Leg End Member
On a tour of Fan Bay artillery battery & deep shelter last summer, I saw this non-explosive shell that had been recovered after practice firing and returned as an exhibit.
The tour guide said the collar of the shell would originally have been smooth, but when fired it 'conformed' to the rifling in the barrel; and adopted the same pattern, as can be seen.

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Shouldn't that be running the length of the shell?
A round that has a collar on it would be wobbling as it traveled down the barrel, damaging the barrel in the long run. And carrying that wobble once clear of the barrel, leading to accuracy issues.
 
Shouldn't that be running the length of the shell?
A round that has a collar on it would be wobbling as it traveled down the barrel, damaging the barrel in the long run. And carrying that wobble once clear of the barrel, leading to accuracy issues.

I don't know if this is correct, but I've come across information that suggests the rear of the shell deforms when the gun is fired, which "fills" the barrel. If I understood correctly that could explain the markings
 

Drago

Legendary Member
I don't know if this is correct, but I've come across information that suggests the rear of the shell deforms when the gun is fired, which "fills" the barrel. If I understood correctly that could explain the markings

The term is "oblates". Big debates to this day over the mechanism behind that, of if it even happens as people think. Something similar, albeit on a lesser scale, happens with pellets fired from air weapons.
 
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