COVID Vaccine !

[lane]

My Dad went last week. The jab took very little time. He was then given a document with a time on it, and had to sit in the waiting room until it was that time at which point he got up and left. Although he was there for while he wasn't taking up staff time except for a short while.

In the lockdown number 1 my daughter had to go for a vaccination. It was car park, arm out the window, jab, go. Make sense to do that with Covid.

 

[Landsurfer]

According to the press reports the elderly arrive .. stand in a queue in the rain until soaked then get marched into a room to be jabbed ... but that was the DM ....
I doubt thats reality ...

 

[srw]

Entire population can be vaccinated in 5 days

This is behind a paywall but I would be interested in how he says it could be done

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...ve-days-if-it-were-better-motivated-lmd093l6d

Non paywall version.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/09/nhs-vaccinate-uk-covid-five-days-oxford-professor
By slashing red tape.

He reckons we can get about 30,000,000 jabs done per day. I reckons he hasn't the foggiest idea. At 1 minute per jab and 12 hours per jabber per day that's over 40,000 jabbers. Nuts.

Here's what the NHS is saying, rather more politely than perhaps he deserves:
“Prof Bell’s reported comments suggest he may not know that at the current time there are not actually that number of vaccines available to the NHS to deploy. It’s best to stick to the facts, and they are that vaccine supply will be progressively increasing over the coming weeks, allowing rapidly expanding vaccinations.”

 

[lane]

According to the press reports the elderly arrive .. stand in a queue in the rain until soaked then get marched into a room to be jabbed ... but that was the DM ....
I doubt thats reality ...

Certainly not for my dad

 

[DCLane]

The situation here is a bit more complex.

It is the middle of winter with snow possible on the ground.

The over 80's have to arrive, park their car in the nearby car park, walk to the Centre and book in. They are then queued up and jabbed and then sent to a recovery are where looked after for 15 minutes(no tea and biscuits). They then have to walk back to the car and vacate the area.

All this has to be done at a rate that does not saturate the parking, queuing or recovery areas, allows covid safe passage in and out and gives the 80 year olds sufficient time to do all this.

The hospital where SWMBO works is setting up rooms for this: she's been moved out of her workspace so there's a series of rooms they can use; welcome / wait / injection / recovery / follow-up paperwork. This is being set up this weekend to operate from Monday, although she's got a message asking whether people are able to help from tomorrow. It's all hands on deck with any non-urgent things cancelled until this is done.

The idea is they can filter people in with parking, entry, injection, recovery and exit efficiently.

 

[lane]

Non paywall version.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/09/nhs-vaccinate-uk-covid-five-days-oxford-professor
By slashing red tape.

He reckons we can get about 30,000,000 jabs done per day. I reckons he hasn't the foggiest idea. At 1 minute per jab and 12 hours per jabber per day that's over 40,000 jabbers. Nuts.

Here's what the NHS is saying, rather more politely than perhaps he deserves:
“Prof Bell’s reported comments suggest he may not know that at the current time there are not actually that number of vaccines available to the NHS to deploy. It’s best to stick to the facts, and they are that vaccine supply will be progressively increasing over the coming weeks, allowing rapidly expanding vaccinations.”

Thanks for that @srw it was really intreaging me but I won't pay anything to the Times or even sign up for a free trial. I think he makes some fair points but overall I am unconvinced he has a detailed or realistic plan to vaccinate everyone in 5 days.

 

[lane]

Mind you it would really slow things down if everyone was visited at home like for the royal family.

 

[Unkraut]

She's perfectly able to jab people - I've seen give herself intramuscular injections of herceptin (a chemo drug) or sew her own finger up (after lacerating it decorating) having injected anaesthetic beforehand.

Now that is what I call DIY!

 

[nickyboy]

What happens to the doses allocated to people who are no shows? Can they be recycled into subsequent days?

Reason for the question is because I read the story of some company offering substantial payments to vaccinate their staff using no shows' doses on the day. If they're binned otherwise I've no particular issue with this but presumably they aren't?

 

[lane]

What happens to the doses allocated to people who are no shows? Can they be recycled into subsequent days?

Reason for the question is because I read the story of some company offering substantial payments to vaccinate their staff using no shows' doses on the day. If they're binned otherwise I've no particular issue with this but presumably they aren't?

Well I do have a bit of an issue they were offering £5k to the individual staff giving the vaccinations which would clearly be open to abuse.

 

[nickyboy]

Well I do have a bit of an issue they were offering £5k to the individual staff giving the vaccinations which would clearly be open to abuse.

Agree on that but they contacted the GP surgeries and offered charitable donation instead. Anyway, ain't happening. I'm just interested to know what happens to the inevitable no show doses. I read that in one area some were given to local police. But this sounds very inefficient

 

[Julia9054]

Agree on that but they contacted the GP surgeries and offered charitable donation instead. Anyway, ain't happening. I'm just interested to know what happens to the inevitable no show doses. I read that in one area some were given to local police. But this sounds very inefficient

Spare doses are given to anyone around to stop them going off. An auction house - not operating at the moment - is acting as a vaccination centre. Spare doses are given to the volunteers helping to run the makeshift vaccination hub and to employees of the auction house whose premises are being used

 

[Blue Hills]

Well I do have a bit of an issue they were offering £5k to the individual staff giving the vaccinations which would clearly be open to abuse.

exactly. noxious shysters . there was understandable outrage, including many comments on their google maps marker. They now seem to have disappeared from google maps along with all the comments. They have issued some bullshit statement about their initiative being misinterpreted.

 

[Rocky]

Agree on that but they contacted the GP surgeries and offered charitable donation instead. Anyway, ain't happening. I'm just interested to know what happens to the inevitable no show doses. I read that in one area some were given to local police. But this sounds very inefficient

In Oxford, the left over doses are being given to frontline staff from the John Radcliffe Hospital who have had their second dose delayed. Incidentally each Pfizer vial of vaccine is designed for five shots, but the vaccinators are finding that it contains sufficient for six - so extra recipients are being contacted to come in at short notice but again this will be frontline staff.

 

[kingrollo]

It would appear that a lack of jabbers isn't currently the bottleneck....more the supply of the vaccine itself.

Again this might be something other than production of the vaccine - I have heard there is a shortage of vials to transport and store the vaccine for one