accountantpete
OAP
No - I just want someone to stick a needle in my arm and say "Next Please!"
COVID Vaccine !
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No - I just want someone to stick a needle in my arm and say "Next Please!"
FishFright
More wheels than sense
accountantpete
OAP
So he has to go on a Heavy Lifting and Fire Awareness course to give a vaccine does he?
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kingrollo
Guru
Working in the NHs I disagree.
Just an example of what you are up against I worked for a local council where it was discovered that sex offenders had taken low level jobs in social services with the intent of getting at the children at risk register.
You can not just have anyone sticking a chemical in millions of people's arms.
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kingrollo
Guru
Go round any city centre in the early hours of tommorow morning with £20 then.
FishFright
More wheels than sense
Yes because it is important.
srw
It's a bit more complicated than that...
If I were doing the jabbing myself or responsible for the people doing the jabbing the only two I'd be willing to let the jabbers do without would be preventing radicalisation and equality, diversity and human rights. Both very important topics, but can be suspended temporarily. It's the nature of a large organisation in a fast-moving situation that sometimes things fall through the cracks.
On the other hand:
Legal aspects - I'd want to know that I'd not be sued for doing my job
Moving and handling - I'd expect that among the jabbees would be quite a lot who can't move for themselves
Data security - names, addresses, medical details!
Fire safety - how the hell do I respond if a fire breaks out in the rickety town hall we've taken over for the day?
Health, safety and welfare - you really think it's acceptable for someone playing with needles not to have basic health, safety and welfare training?!
This is all basic level-1 mandatory training stuff. It'll take a retired GP or nurse a couple of hours to read the relevant material and answer a few questions to confirm they understand.
accountantpete
OAP
The initial section (not shown ) was about Qualifications and references - so you couldn't get just anyone volunteering.
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kingrollo
Guru
Fire awareness definitely - fires at hospitals aren't unknown. The fire training in our hospital takes 45 minutes tops.
That 45 minutes might prevent a 1,000 bed hospital becoming redundant.
The other is more protect - the authority from being sued "I wasn't trained to lift a 16 stone bloke .....now I need surgery on my back and have lost my job - I demand £400k in compensation"
Rocky
Hello decadence
I’m with @accountantpete here, my wife the Prof volunteered to join the vaccinating task force, since recovering from cancer five years ago, she hasn’t seen patients and works as a full time medical academic. However, the key thing is that she can give injections having spent a lifetime doing it. She too couldn’t supply 75% of those certificates and so wasn’t eligible. At a time when there’s a shortage of jabbers it all seems crazy.
accountantpete
OAP
I understand that a revised form is now available to download at gov.uk that makes it easier.
winjim
Smash the cistern
Staff may potentially be evacuating patients in the event of a fire. You need to know the system, it's not as simple as just leaving the building and nursing staff don't need a load of volunteers who don't know what they're doing, getting in the way.
The moving and handling training covers not only heavy lifting, which could be required for moving patients, but also positioning your workstation and sitting correctly which could be important for someone doing a repetitive task like repeated injections.
All this training could be done on a single day's induction course.
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kingrollo
Guru
My understanding was that the checklist was mostly for completed training - which I would have thought the vast majority would be web based e-learning.
winjim
Smash the cistern
It looks like a lot of them, resus etc could be covered by having a competent supervisor rather than having to train each individual.
My resus training is 'dial 2222'.
srw
It's a bit more complicated than that...
As someone whose job is basically telling other people what to do and thinking about risk - I want them to know what to do themselves. Even if what you want them to do is "call the supervisor, or failing that ask someone else". You cannot rely on a supervisor to be available whenever something goes wrong, and it's dangerous in a situation where there are vulnerable people who might die to rely on individuals making their own decisions on the spur of the moment in a crisis. Everyone needs to have the same response to the crisis - and when you're through-processing thousands of elderly people, some of whom will be sick and highly infectious, and jabbing them with a vaccine where there will be very occasional adverse reactions, there will definitely be crises.
I'm afraid that goes as much for respected professors of public health with a lifetime of GPing behind them as much as it does for someone straight out of college.
