COVID Vaccine !

[accountantpete]

The next UK vaccine is likely to be the Novavax candidate. Again late spring - but it's interesting in that their 3rd stage trial is ongoing and includes main exposure to the New Variant so they should have a good handle on how well that is going.

 

[nickyboy]

Considering the level of justifiable criticism of the UK government on CC in terms of its overall response to the pandemic it's interesting that there is little recognition of how well it is doing regarding vaccinations

No major hiccups in a complex rollout and vaccination levels are fourth highest in the world. Currently 3x-4x that of our European neighbours

It's also interesting that UK has one of the highest public acceptance rates for vaccination. China is highest at 80% but UK is v close behind. Bizzarely France is at 40% suggesting extreme scepticism of the vaccine. Wonder why a country not so disimmilar from other developed western economies can have such a low potential take up

 

[Landsurfer]

Considering the level of justifiable criticism of the UK government on CC in terms of its overall response to the pandemic it's interesting that there is little recognition of how well it is doing regarding vaccinations

No major hiccups in a complex rollout and vaccination levels are fourth highest in the world. Currently 3x-4x that of our European neighbours

It's also interesting that UK has one of the highest public acceptance rates for vaccination. China is highest at 80% but UK is v close behind. Bizzarely France is at 40% suggesting extreme scepticism of the vaccine. Wonder why a country not so disimmilar from other developed western economies can have such a low potential take up

Report in the press this morning that 1 in 5 people contacted to have their c-19 jab refuse it .....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9127859/One-medic-reveals-reality-rhetoric.html

 

[vickster]

Report in the press this morning that 1 in 5 people contacted to have their c-19 jab refuse it .....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9127859/One-medic-reveals-reality-rhetoric.html

That’ll be 80% acceptance then as stated above Which is very high

 

[nickyboy]

That’ll be 80% acceptance then as stated above Which is very high

Yup, according to the IPSOS survey, 80% is highest acceptance in all countries surveyed. UK was 77%. France is a real outlier which I don't understand

 

[Landsurfer]

That’ll be 80% acceptance then as stated above Which is very high

Do the maths Vickster ... thats 1 in 5 of the over 80's not the population ....

 

[vickster]

Do the maths Vickster ... thats 1 in 5 of the over 80's not the population ....

You didn’t say over 80s and I don’t read Daily Mail links I’m afraid on principle

 

[Landsurfer]

You didn’t say over 80s and I don’t read Daily Mail links I’m afraid on principle

Your missing out on some top class drivel ... The article is a 3 week diary of a Vaccination centre nurse .. I'm sure your aware there is a priority list for Vaccine, the over 80's being one of the current target groups ... worth a read, even if, like me, you regard the DM as a bit of a comic ...

 

[C R]

Yup, according to the IPSOS survey, 80% is highest acceptance in all countries surveyed. UK was 77%. France is a real outlier which I don't understand

Homeopathy and other alternative woo are very popular in France and also Germany, often offered alongside proper medicine. I could never understand why, but might explain the low vaccine acceptance.

 

[vickster]

Your missing out on some top class drivel ... The article is a 3 week diary of a Vaccination centre nurse .. I'm sure your aware there is a priority list for Vaccine, the over 80's being one of the current target groups ... worth a read, even if, like me, you regard the DM as a bit of a comic ...

There’s enough drivel on CycleChat without having to resort to the Daily Mail

 

[vickster]

Homeopathy and other alternative woo are very popular in France and also Germany, often offered alongside proper medicine. I could never understand why, but might explain the low vaccine acceptance.

Chinese Medicine is also very popular in China, so presumably something else drives those high rates (a sense at least of compulsion?)

 

[nickyboy]

Perhaps with such wild variations in both speed of vaccination rollout and public take up it is possible to make some wild guesstimates as to how the tail end of the pandemic may play out?

For example, France appears to be slower rolling out than most and has lowest take up of those surveyed. Countries like UK are the opposite. Perhaps this will impact on how the pandemic ends in those countries

 

[srw]

No major hiccups in a complex rollout and vaccination levels are fourth highest in the world. Currently 3x-4x that of our European neighbours

That is a generous view of the statistics.

Based on an 80% take-up rate, in order to meet the government's targets we have to inject 9.4 million doses within the next five weeks. Up to a week ago we had injected 1.1 million. Over the last week of that period we managed fewer than a third of a million. Over the following six weeks, including the one just gone, we need to inject 1.4 million per week, over four times as many as the latest stats available. That's an operationally very difficult problem to solve using the central dictat tools we're trying to impose on a health system that is run very locally.

 

[srw]

For example, France appears to be slower rolling out than most and has lowest take up of those surveyed. Countries like UK are the opposite. Perhaps this will impact on

It's far too early to tell.

Let's talk again in a couple of months when there is some robust data rather than political spin.

 

[Unkraut]

Considering the level of justifiable criticism of the UK government on CC in terms of its overall response to the pandemic it's interesting that there is little recognition of how well it is doing regarding vaccinations

No major hiccups in a complex rollout and vaccination levels are fourth highest in the world. Currently 3x-4x that of our European neighbours

I noticed this too. It's easy to assume that Britain gets everything wrong because of its inept government.

The UK vaccination programme has been commented on here, partly in the context of the perceived slowness of getting it started on the continent. There is current capacity built for 400 000 vaccinations per day, but the vaccine is lacking. This is a worldwide phenomenon but insufficient supplies were ordered originally. This is being corrected now but it will take time.

The phone lines for booking an appointment are overloaded and not working properly. I think here too Britain might have got this sorted better and earlier. Booking online is better, but for over 80's?! Germany has been more sluggish in getting the tracking IT going as well.

It also has to be said that Britain has got its back to the wall due to earlier mismanagement of the pandemic and a high rate of infection. The British government took a calculated risk with pre-ordering the vaccine when it wasn't yet absolutely clear how effective it would be (the US as well). The EU hedged its bets somewhat, and its easy to be critical with hindsight. The EU has also had a policy to ensure the richer countries don't buy up all available supplies leaving the rest without.

The federal health minister is probably the most popular in the country at present, having put in stirling work from the beginning, and yet being willing to admit making mistakes. The main criticism of him is coming from politicians who think he could have started vaccination a bit earlier.

I saw my first one of these recently - Vaccination Centre - and I suppose despite apparent initial delays we should all be grateful such signs exist and we are not going to have to wait until perhaps the end of this year for an effective vaccination.