COVID Vaccine !

[Oldhippy]

I appreciate this is very naive but with the vaccines should it not be free to all countries and not made for profit and prestige? It affects everyone worldwide.

 

[srw]

No, that comment just shows how easily misinterpreted a log plot is.

Here's the linear data (less Israel)

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Far enough. But the point remains that the UK gradient is among the flattest on the chart, and injection will have to rocket to get close to Johnson's overpromising

 

[nickyboy]

Far enough. But the point remains that the UK gradient is among the flattest on the chart, and injection will have to rocket to get close to Johnson's overpromising

I've been one of the biggest critics of nitpicking so I'm in danger of being hoisted by my own petard here.

However what you said just isn't correct. The UK gradient is shallower on the graph than USA and Denmark but steeper than Germany, China, France, RoW etc....everyone other than USA and Denmark

My interpretation is that the UK vaccination roll out has been, in these early stages, much more effective than most other countries. I hope that this effectiveness continues throughout the program for all our sakes

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I appreciate this is very naive but with the vaccines should it not be free to all countries and not made for profit and prestige? It affects everyone worldwide.

That's exactly what Oxford/Astra have done.

I do think it's pretty shocking what's going on elsewhere TBH, surprised there's not been more reaction to it.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Far enough. But the point remains that the UK gradient is among the flattest on the chart, and injection will have to rocket to get close to Johnson's overpromising

disagree

agree

 

[srw]

That is a generous view of the statistics.

Based on an 80% take-up rate, in order to meet the government's targets we have to inject 9.4 million doses within the next five weeks. Up to a week ago we had injected 1.1 million. Over the last week of that period we managed fewer than a third of a million. Over the following six weeks, including the one just gone, we need to inject 1.4 million per week, over four times as many as the latest stats available. That's an operationally very difficult problem to solve using the central dictat tools we're trying to impose on a health system that is run very locally.

I'd forgotten they'd also promised to vaccinate all NHS staff in the same timescale. That's another half a million per week.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

Considering the level of justifiable criticism of the UK government on CC in terms of its overall response to the pandemic it's interesting that there is little recognition of how well it is doing regarding vaccinations

No major hiccups in a complex rollout and vaccination levels are fourth highest in the world. Currently 3x-4x that of our European neighbours

It's also interesting that UK has one of the highest public acceptance rates for vaccination. China is highest at 80% but UK is v close behind. Bizzarely France is at 40% suggesting extreme scepticism of the vaccine. Wonder why a country not so disimmilar from other developed western economies can have such a low potential take up

'Tis the nature of politics and what I feel is the generally negative attitude of the UK populace to just about everything to not laud our successes. We are a long way from being a remotely glass half full nation. And I think that this has been going on for a long time now - not just since the pandemic started. I'm no psychologist but it appears to me that bad news takes root faster than good news and spreads quicker and I have no idea why this is.

Personally I feel that the vaccine rollout is happening really fast, whether Johnson's targets will be hit is a matter for conjecture and on a personal note I'm just ignoring anyone who is overtly sunny side down on this, whether politically motivated or because they are just negative people, and will wait and see. Yes, the targets are tough but ime targets need to be stretching to achieve the best results.

Whilst I'm not saying that we should be singing and dancing in the street about other countries misfortunes I do think we should be proud that we are really getting behind the program and are well ahead of the curve compared to other European nations:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55575756

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I'd forgotten they'd also promised to vaccinate all NHS staff in the same timescale. That's another half a million per week

Yes, that will delay the vulnerable for sure.

That it's necessary shows just how dire things are.

Stay home. If you must go out, stay distant. There is potential for an absolute catastrophe right now.

 

[srw]

However what you said just isn't correct. The UK gradient is shallower on the graph than USA and Denmark but steeper than Germany, China, France, RoW etc....everyone other than USA and Denmark

I reckon, by eye only, it's on a par with Germany and France and only steeper than China. The "world" line is a whole-world line.

And I'll say it again - all of this is pissing around the edges of a long-term challenge. The real measure of success will come in a few weeks time when we can assess some large-scale data.

 

[srw]

ime targets need to be stretching to achieve the best results

They need to be stretching but achievable.

We've had nine months of Johnson over-promising and under-delivering. Why should we believe him now?

Sturgeon has actually not performed much better, but crucially she's been honest that things will be difficult.

 

[srw]

I'm not sure what agreement the EU has on the supply.

They're getting their first batches next week. The UK declined the option to join in.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ne-approved-for-use-by-uk-medicines-regulator

 

[roubaixtuesday]

We've had nine months of Johnson over-promising and under-delivering. Why should we believe him now?

I don't think you should believe him.

I'm so aghast with his repeated lies, prevarications and obfuscations I literally cannot watch the man any more.

I think you should believe the data, which shows to date we started earlier than anyone else in Europe, have more vaccines approved, have vaccinated more and to date continue to do so.

 

[Pale Rider]

Tis the nature of politics

True, the incumbent government is set up to have its actions criticised, just as the opposition is largely reduced to sniping from the sidelines.

Which also gives the lie to the oft-repeated claim the media is 'right wing'.

Were that so, we wouldn't read any mainstream criticism of the Conservatives, but there's plenty.

As there should be, it being the media's role to hold the government to task, no matter who is currently forming it.

 

[accountantpete]

Johnson's target is to offer the top 4 cohorts a vaccination slot by Feb 15th - you can debate all you like but there's only one way to find out and that is to wait and see.

My money's on Boris.

 

[C R]

Johnson's target is to offer the top 4 cohorts a vaccination slot by Feb 15th - you can debate all you like but there's only one way to find out and that is to wait and see.

My money's on Boris.

I hope you are right, but the numbers so far leave room for doubt. I think it was a mistake to say on Monday evening that vaccination would allow for things to start relaxing from mid February. People will have latched to that, and if by then relaxation is not actually possible we will have another wave of restrictions being ignored.