Not being fully mobile is bit of a problem but not impossible to find a way round. The main issue is around consent if no-one is willing to explain ie read though the form with her. Before asking her to freely sign it then the giver has a problem any giver of any treatment has to ensure that it's done with informed consent. A HCP in this case has a problem as it's not clear if she has given it. So even if she can get though the door she my not get the vaccination anyway. I've check with Mrs 73 no legal issues or professional ones are stopping them reading it to her. Mrs 73 often reads things to patients that can't read. As long as they freely sign the form without any prompting or encouragement or force than it not an issue.
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Not being fully mobile is bit of a problem but not impossible to find a way round. The main issue is around consent if no-one is willing to explain ie read though the form with her. Before asking her to freely sign it then the giver has a problem any giver of any treatment has to ensure that it's done with informed consent. A HCP in this case has a problem as it's not clear if she has given it. So even if she can get though the door she my not get the vaccination anyway. I've check with Mrs 73 no legal issues or professional ones are stopping them reading it to her. Mrs 73 often reads things to patients that can't read. As long as they freely sign the form without any prompting or encouragement or force than it not an issue.
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Although normally if Mum signs anything, either my sister or I will be present and will ok it for her, neither of us saw the signing as a problem. Neither did we see it is a problem for one of the staff to take Mum from my sister. Arguably, in her wheelchair, certainly if my sister had been given admission at the same time, she could be processed as quickly, or more quickly than some late 80 year olds who were more generally mobile. - Although I get possible cross infection, but that didn't seem to be too high up the list, when Mum was recently admitted to and a week or so later discharged from Salford Royal.
If a criteria has been decided upon by someone higher up the food chain, by which some of those most vulnerable can be processed quickly, to the exclusion of certain ones, then at least the vaccination staff or Government should be open about it. Despite the irresponsible behaviour seen in some sections of the population, most of us are grown ups and should be treated as such. Someone seemed to manage it with the flu jab.
I suspect that it's coming from higher up the food chain as you say. Who are looking at the how many did we do target.
The hand over of your mum is not normally a problem at the moment it's all to do with limiting interactions and cross overs.
The infection control of the hospital as a whole is over riding ever thing else. Staff are likely to have come form other work in other areas and are expected to return to that work at some point. They are also likely to be running vaccinations with limited number of staff and once ready go the vaccine is time critical. I can see why they are wanting to limit other people going distancing is greatly reducing capacity.
The GP hubs are likely to be more flexible and open to working something out. Have any opened in your area ? That maybe a the best route to find out about and push for your mum to get one that way.
It's difficult and not ideal I wish you well in finding a solution
@Bazzer don’t know if it helps much but you can download the vaccine consent form.
So at least you have some idea on what’s on it and what your mum needs to know.
https://assets.publishing.service.g...id-19_Consent_form_adults_able_to_consent.pdf
So at least you have some idea on what’s on it and what your mum needs to know.
https://assets.publishing.service.g...id-19_Consent_form_adults_able_to_consent.pdf
Bazzer
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@tom73 many thanks. I'll forward it to my sister, with whom our Mum lives.
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It's a bit more complicated than that...
A million a week feels optimistic. I dug around and discovered that typically around 7 million people in England (say 8 million in the UK) get a flu vaccine over the 2 - 3 months that it's given. The flu vaccine is easier to store, and you don't need to be monitored once it's given.
And if they're still vaccinating those over 50 in June even on what feels like an optimistic estimate of the rate of vaccination it seems unlikely that we'll be back to anything like normal by Easter in April.
And if they're still vaccinating those over 50 in June even on what feels like an optimistic estimate of the rate of vaccination it seems unlikely that we'll be back to anything like normal by Easter in April.
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Nuff said
As it happens there was a vaccine update today, despite the gloomy rumours from BioNTech about shortages from Jan-March.
350,000 people have now been vaccinated, so the last few days it looks to have stepped up to 30,000-60,000 a day, from the much lower rates the first 2-3 days.
This doesn't stop Biden in America making outrageously ambitious claims about 100 million jabs in 100 days, or UK sources going way above even what that one ^^ up there posted of up to 2 million doses a week.
However, apart from supply, last few days some slight good news.
350,000 people have now been vaccinated, so the last few days it looks to have stepped up to 30,000-60,000 a day, from the much lower rates the first 2-3 days.
This doesn't stop Biden in America making outrageously ambitious claims about 100 million jabs in 100 days, or UK sources going way above even what that one ^^ up there posted of up to 2 million doses a week.
However, apart from supply, last few days some slight good news.
MntnMan62
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I just read an article that said that a Colorado GOP Congressman is not going to take the vaccine because he's worried more about the safety of the vaccine than he is about the side effects of contracting the virus. I find this interesting. The US is seeing deaths currently at a rate of 3,600 per day. There have been no confirmed deaths related to people receiving the Covid vaccine. So, this guy won't take the vaccine because he's worried about it being safe, yet it's proven that it is safe and more importantly much safer than not taking it and getting Covid. I'd say this guy should be thrown out of office, not for refusing to take the vaccine, but because he's shown a complete lack of critical reasoning skills, making him nothing short of an imbecile.
Matt Hancock confirms 350 000 had the first jab, on tv, indirectly confirms 60,000-75,000 a day getting the jab from 400 sites. Always take with a pinch of salt as he has form for quoting best figures but that suggests tranche 2 of the vaccine has arrived in the UK.
Supply allowing it'd suggest an ability to do roughly 2 million vaccines a month.
Supply allowing it'd suggest an ability to do roughly 2 million vaccines a month.
