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Not sure what you mean? The instructions on our website about booking a covid vaccine say do not book an appointment if you have had an episode of anaphylaxis
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Not sure what you mean? The instructions on our website about booking a covid vaccine say do not book an appointment if you have had an episode of anaphylaxis
Disclose, see what the people administering think.
It's difficult, but epipens are stored at sites giving vaccines despite the shortage and cost. The vaccine isn't a normal one with temp and shortage but this is normal for vaccines in general.
There will be other vaccines in time whatever happens. In time more will be known about risks.
It's difficult. It's difficult even waiting.
A nice graphic from the BBC demonstrating the enormity of the task
Sky News to an unattributed source reckoned on Tuesday there had been around 5000 vaccines done and on Wednesday 10,000. Tranche 1 is around 400,000 people and it's early days, but it really is the case that hardly anyone is getting it. Absolutely awesome for anyone who is getting it and a big deal, but it's January this thing is going to ramp up.
LarryDuff
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- Hillsborough Co Down
I'm in group. 8 but by the time I get it I might be in group 7.
fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
- Location
- South Manchester
SIL had her's today, works in a care home. Had to go to the local hospital for it, so who knows when it will come out to residents.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
There is more about how the first few vaccinated gives you a huge reduction in deaths in More or Less: Behind the Stats: Vaccines: how safe and who gets it? http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p090hlp7
It's expired from my player now but it was something like the first million would have prevented almost a third of deaths, the next five million takes you beyond half, then it's diminishing returns but reduces transmission, which would become very important if immunity doesn't last long.
The vaccines are amazing and numbers even smaller than a million can make a very efficient difference (to deaths and hospitalisations) and this has been posted months ago. We aren't anywhere near 1 million people being 28 days later. Otherwise I'd be the first to say this is awesome, don't worry quite so much. If you believe news sources then it's something like 50-100,000 people have been vaccinated with 1 dose and after 12 days it'll start revving the immune system to a fair old whack. Tranche 1 is 400,000 people.
But semantically we're not really talking about deaths. Semantically people are talking about a variety of other things like 'getting back to normal' or 'fewer restrictions' or being like 'last summer' etc. People are talking about the state of things. By about February/March the vaccine should have a noticeable effect on deaths and hospitalisations, but to pluck out made up numbers will say 150 people still be dying a day of covid in February and March? I expect so. So what happens then? Do we have the tiers running till early April as bojo has hinted? Yep.
I post the numbers and the graphic mostly because I don't think people appreciate the numbers as it's not communicated clearly by the media until relatively recently. Something I've heard loads of loads of times the last nine months is about asthma. Another one on the tv people have got awfully upset about is family carers. That's sadly not likely to happen either
.I am of the JVT and John Edmunds view that it will become endemic, it will be seasonal and the virus will be here 'forever more'.
I meant for your parents in group 1 or 2, not you.
My father is in group 4 via conditions and I've told him I don't think he'll get the first dose till February. That might be wrong and if the shipments come in in January and things ramped up consistently he gets it at the end of January, or if things go badly it could be March.
lane
Veteran
With regard to asthma severe is included in criteria for group 6 but also you in extremely vulnerable group (shielding) so makes no sense. If there are 8+ million in group 6 must include quite a spectrum.The vaccines are amazing and numbers even smaller than a million can make a very efficient difference (to deaths and hospitalisations) and this has been posted months ago. We aren't anywhere near 1 million people being 28 days later. Otherwise I'd be the first to say this is awesome, don't worry quite so much. If you believe news sources then it's something like 50-100,000 people have been vaccinated with 1 dose and after 12 days it'll start revving the immune system to a fair old whack. Tranche 1 is 400,000 people.
But semantically we're not really talking about deaths. Semantically people are talking about a variety of other things like 'getting back to normal' or 'fewer restrictions' or being like 'last summer' etc. People are talking about the state of things. By about February/March the vaccine should have a noticeable effect on deaths and hospitalisations, but to pluck out made up numbers will say 150 people still be dying a day of covid in February and March? I expect so. So what happens then? Do we have the tiers running till early April as bojo has hinted? Yep.
I post the numbers and the graphic mostly because I don't think people appreciate the numbers as it's not communicated clearly by the media until relatively recently. Something I've heard loads of loads of times the last nine months is about asthma. Another one on the tv people have got awfully upset about is family carers. That's sadly not likely to happen either
I am of the JVT and John Edmunds view that it will become endemic, it will be seasonal and the virus will be here 'forever more'.
lane
Veteran
The vaccines are amazing and numbers even smaller than a million can make a very efficient difference (to deaths and hospitalisations) and this has been posted months ago. We aren't anywhere near 1 million people being 28 days later. Otherwise I'd be the first to say this is awesome, don't worry quite so much. If you believe news sources then it's something like 50-100,000 people have been vaccinated with 1 dose and after 12 days it'll start revving the immune system to a fair old whack. Tranche 1 is 400,000 people.
But semantically we're not really talking about deaths. Semantically people are talking about a variety of other things like 'getting back to normal' or 'fewer restrictions' or being like 'last summer' etc. People are talking about the state of things. By about February/March the vaccine should have a noticeable effect on deaths and hospitalisations, but to pluck out made up numbers will say 150 people still be dying a day of covid in February and March? I expect so. So what happens then? Do we have the tiers running till early April as bojo has hinted? Yep.
I post the numbers and the graphic mostly because I don't think people appreciate the numbers as it's not communicated clearly by the media until relatively recently. Something I've heard loads of loads of times the last nine months is about asthma. Another one on the tv people have got awfully upset about is family carers. That's sadly not likely to happen either
I am of the JVT and John Edmunds view that it will become endemic, it will be seasonal and the virus will be here 'forever more'.
Once we have done the groups identified down to over 50s which could be Feb could be April life will go back to normal no reason it shouldn't no doubt covid will still be around and some deaths but will be manageable
At the risk of kicking off some of the grumpier and tetchier members of this forum, who've had enough of stuff, severe asthma should absolutely be included. Severe asthma is pretty rare as a percentage of all asthmatics though (because asthma itself is a vastly large group of people). I do worry very much about how many of the non-severe asthmatics will be feeling in terms of interacting with health services though. Asthma is not something that primary care deals with awfully well in my opinion. Had an awfully large number of conversations about that.
Group six is extremely diverse. If you look at group 4, if you know what the list actually means there's a lot of variation even within that. My father has several conditions, each which put him in category 4. JCVI guidance was that people below that age would be the same risk as 70-74 year olds and should so be lumped in in that age group and why it was done. Parents don't look after themselves and it's a theme of many people I know that their parents are dead (despite their parents being younger than many on here) or not good health.
The over 50s are not going to be done by Feb. That's just not going to happen. Even if we had 10 million doses sat in the 50 hubs, the nine groups of people are not going to be vaccinated by Feb. My father, group 4 in february is what I said and I meant it.
Back to normal is perception as much as what's happening. Things will be back to normal in late spring and early summer, but that's because people will have had enough, as opposed to virus transmission or even deaths and hospitalisations. So it's quite possible that you might have what many on here regard as scarily high deaths going on in the background, but life is more like say tier 1 is now, but for most of the country.
