COVID Vaccine !
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slowmotion
Quite dreadful
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Yes, I did wonder if she was just "making smoke" to cover up incompetence but thought there might be another explanation.
The UK recognised that Civil Service procedural bureaucracy was not best suited to fleet of foot procurement, contract negotiation and financing in an uncertain, dynamic and everchanging pandemic response and co-opted Private Sector expertise and experience in those plus a biomedical finance expert to lead the process. They got the job done.
Von der Leyden gave the job to the existing EU beureacracy. They farked up. She is embarrassed.
slowmotion
Quite dreadful
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Hmmmm. So on the principle of "a level playing field" and " reciprocity" the idea is to hobble the UK's vaccination programme as well????
You may think that. I could not possibly comment.
Ajax Bay
Guru
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Early doors, a few million Oxford-AZ vaccines were manufactured in Belgium and exported to the UK - this was before the EU EMA authorised the use of Ox-AZ vaccine (?29 Jan). All the UK's Pfizer vaccine supply comes from Europe but some of the vaccines' constituents come from UK (Snaith, Yorkshire).
It was AZ's intent to supply the EU with Ox-AZ vaccine from plants in the EU and in December said that they'd supply 80M doses in Q1 2021. Then they had manufacturing problems in the EU plants so (as the AZ-EU advance purchase agreement (APA) required) they quickly told the EU (in mid Jan) that it wouldn't be 80M it'd be 31M. Unhappiness all round and EU instituting a law of vaccine export control where permission had to be achieved (eg used by Italy to prevent export of the batch due for Oz).
The EU would like AZ to divert some vaccine supply from its UK factories to the EU. The UK manufactured Ox-AZ vaccine is earmarked (?contractually) for supply to the UK. The EU won't get any joy trying to take on AZ in the courts, and they know this, so this grandstanding is an effort to put other forms of pressure on AZ - perhaps the assumption is that if the UK says 'oh go easy on them, give them some that was due to come to us' then that will increase the EU Ox-AZ vaccine supply.
I am guessing but I suspect that if the 4?M supply had come in from India, that would have allowed some export of Ox-AZ vaccine to the EU - note that the EU-AZ APA specifies that the vaccines must be made in either EU or the UK. Anywhere else (India say) and the contract requires EU permission (holding breath practice, commence).
Clear as mud.
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roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
mjr
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That is the UK press interpretation but there is little evidence that AZ wouldn't have shortfalled the EU even if it had signed up on its current terms before the UK. The EU-AZ contract does not seem to be what the EU wants. It would be interesting to see the UK-AZ contract wording.
Some of vdL's comments are surely aimed at the US which is restricting everything vacciney using their defence procurement laws, which reportedly is also part of the cause of AZ delays to the UK because US-made vials have had to be replaced by ones made elsewhere. With AZ delivering only 35ish% of the order, the EU is very reliant on Pfizer and Moderna at the moment and key ingredients come from the US.
lane
Veteran
Although in other news MPs call for the right to protest. If that happens I will no longer be able to understand why I need to follow rules re number in a group cycling together and my inclination to comply with the rules will be much reduced. Maybe if in a large cycling group could just say we are protesting about the right to protest.
Ajax Bay
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In the EU the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine makes up the vast majority of delivered doses to date: about three quarters; and 7% Moderna. The rest is Oxford-AZ. About 10% have had a first jab and of those 4% have had both: perhaps 78M doses in all.
Moderna will supply the EU with 10M doses in Q1 2021, followed by 35M in both Q2 and Q3, according to their 'Estimated Delivery Schedule' for the first 80M. Reports suggest they were behind schedule at the end of February. More (at least another 80M) have been ordered for Q4 and in 2022. The mRNA (modeRNA
The EU has received about 60M doses of the Pfizer vaccine: the EU has ordered two lots of 300M (total 600M) all manufactured in the EU (ie not in the USA). Pfizer have exported about 11M from EU factories to the UK since late November.
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Yeah, go you.
srw
It's a bit more complicated than that...
I think you mean "ensure that all Europeans at serious risk of death are protected, whether they live in the EU or the UK."
Nobody is protected fully until all are protected fully. It is in Britain's interest to divert resources to our nearest neighbours and closest trading partners - unless you want your 2022 holiday to be in Blackpool again because there's an outbreak of the Berlin Covid variant in Benidorm.
nickyboy
Norven Mankey
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It's in UKs interests to divert resources elsewhere ultimately. The only question is "when?"
I think the answer today is "not now". But I'm not sure when that response changes. I suspect regarless of the scientific advice there would be virtually zero political capital in diverting. So it will be later rather than sooner. And we may all be in Skegness as a result
