Ajax Bay
Guru
- Location
- East Devon
COVID Vaccine !
- Thread starter kingrollo
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Went well ('twas yesterday) arrived 10 mins before booked time, 5 minute queue to get in.
Minimal wait time inside building.
Very well organised waiting system inside.
Local volunteers guiding folks through system
Jabbed on time +/- 10 mins by GP from my practice.
Pfizer vaccine
Comprehensive explanation and data sheets
Nice warm seating area for 15 min wait.
Back home 45 mins after booked time.
No after effects at all not even at jab site.
Exceptionally well organised and delivered service.
Post jab noticed volunteers being very helpful to frail elderlies needing short cut trough building to meet taxi.
Minimal wait time inside building.
Very well organised waiting system inside.
Local volunteers guiding folks through system
Jabbed on time +/- 10 mins by GP from my practice.
Pfizer vaccine
Comprehensive explanation and data sheets
Nice warm seating area for 15 min wait.
Back home 45 mins after booked time.
No after effects at all not even at jab site.
Exceptionally well organised and delivered service.
Post jab noticed volunteers being very helpful to frail elderlies needing short cut trough building to meet taxi.
Ajax Bay
Guru
- Location
- East Devon
https://www.ndmrb.ox.ac.uk/about/ne...ng-the-3-month-interval-until-the-second-dose
Summary (Oxford-AZ vaccine) (minor editing) wrt 12 week gap assurance and beneficial effect on transmission:
Analyses reveal single dose efficacy from day 22 to day 90 of 76% and maintained for that time. Post second dose (12 week gap), efficacy is 82.4%, with a 95% CI of 62.7% - 91.7% at 12+ weeks. Analyses of PCR positive swabs in UK population suggests vaccine may have substantial effect on transmission of the virus with 67% reduction in positive swabs among those vaccinated.
Lancet pre-print
"Interpretation: ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccination programmes aimed at vaccinating a large proportion of the population with a single dose, with a second dose given after a 3 month period is an effective strategy for reducing disease, and may be the optimal for rollout of a pandemic vaccine when supplies are limited in the short term."
I hope other nations will take note and save lives.
Summary (Oxford-AZ vaccine) (minor editing) wrt 12 week gap assurance and beneficial effect on transmission:
Analyses reveal single dose efficacy from day 22 to day 90 of 76% and maintained for that time. Post second dose (12 week gap), efficacy is 82.4%, with a 95% CI of 62.7% - 91.7% at 12+ weeks. Analyses of PCR positive swabs in UK population suggests vaccine may have substantial effect on transmission of the virus with 67% reduction in positive swabs among those vaccinated.
Lancet pre-print
"Interpretation: ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccination programmes aimed at vaccinating a large proportion of the population with a single dose, with a second dose given after a 3 month period is an effective strategy for reducing disease, and may be the optimal for rollout of a pandemic vaccine when supplies are limited in the short term."
I hope other nations will take note and save lives.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
You just moved the goalposts! Boris was clear at the start of the year: offered a vaccine means given, not just sent a letter out possibly to an old address!
nickyboy
Norven Mankey
- Location
- You want hills? We got hills
No it doesn't. "Offered" doesn't mean "given" (ie administered). You have to add back to the "given" number those who were "offered" and chose to not take up the offer.
There may be some whose offer has gone astray (given the millions involved that wouldn't be surprising at all). But equally there are those who just decide not to take up the offer of vaccine, for whatever reason
Ajax Bay
Guru
- Location
- East Devon
Please add value. You shared a gov.uk link a few days ago - Prime Minister Johnson's address to the nation on coronavirus on 4 January - which said:
the PM said "By the middle of February, if things go well and with a fair wind in our sails, we expect to have offered the first vaccine dose to everyone in the four top priority groups identified by the JCVI. That means vaccinating all residents in a care home for older adults and their carers, everyone over the age of 70, all frontline health and social care workers, and everyone who is clinically extremely vulnerable."
"Giving" a vaccine to everyone in Groups 1-4 is impossible: a significant proportion (you can suggest a percentage) will refuse to have a vaccine or are unable to for various clinical reasons (@classic33 can fill you in). That's why "offered" is a sensible verb, and I'd articulate 'offered' as 'offered a vaccination with an appointment before the target date' - to address a repeat of the end of April testing target imbroglio.
Other people eg vvvv think that the target is 'offered', but I appreciate that you may prefer your interpretation.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...ifting-many-coronavirus-restrictions-12179452
classic33
Leg End Member
I'll be of no help on this.Please add value. You shared a gov.uk link a few days ago - Prime Minister Johnson's address to the nation on coronavirus on 4 January - which said:
the PM said "By the middle of February, if things go well and with a fair wind in our sails, we expect to have offered the first vaccine dose to everyone in the four top priority groups identified by the JCVI. That means vaccinating all residents in a care home for older adults and their carers, everyone over the age of 70, all frontline health and social care workers, and everyone who is clinically extremely vulnerable."
"Giving" a vaccine to everyone in Groups 1-4 is impossible: a significant proportion (you can suggest a percentage) will refuse to have a vaccine or are unable to for various clinical reasons (@classic33 can fill you in). That's why "offered" is a sensible verb, and I'd articulate 'offered' as 'offered a vaccination with an appointment before the target date' - to address a repeat of the end of April testing target imbroglio.
Other people eg vvvv think that the target is 'offered', but I appreciate that you may prefer your interpretation.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...ifting-many-coronavirus-restrictions-12179452
I'm only aware of what I can't be given, and the reason why. Not why someone else can't be given it.
Ajax Bay
Guru
- Location
- East Devon
https://www.research.ox.ac.uk/Artic...nvestigating-dosing-with-alternating-vaccines
The COVID-19 Heterologous Prime Boost study or ‘Com-Cov’ study, run by the National Immunisation Schedule Evaluation Consortium (NISEC) and backed by £7 million of government funding from the Vaccines Taskforce, will evaluate the feasibility of using a different vaccine for the initial ‘prime’ vaccination to the follow-up ‘booster’ vaccination. This will help policy-makers explore whether this could be a viable route to increase the flexibility of vaccination programmes.
Using a different vaccine for the second dose - currently advised as to be avoided (qv).
The NHS Green Book Ch 14a says (wrt the second dose not the same as the first):
"There is no evidence on the interchangeability of the COVID-19 vaccines although studies are underway. Therefore, every effort should be made to determine which vaccine the individual received and to complete with the same vaccine. For individuals who started the schedule and who attend for vaccination at a site where the same vaccine is not available, or if the first product received is unknown, it is reasonable to offer one dose of the locally available product to complete the schedule."
The COVID-19 Heterologous Prime Boost study or ‘Com-Cov’ study, run by the National Immunisation Schedule Evaluation Consortium (NISEC) and backed by £7 million of government funding from the Vaccines Taskforce, will evaluate the feasibility of using a different vaccine for the initial ‘prime’ vaccination to the follow-up ‘booster’ vaccination. This will help policy-makers explore whether this could be a viable route to increase the flexibility of vaccination programmes.
Using a different vaccine for the second dose - currently advised as to be avoided (qv).
The NHS Green Book Ch 14a says (wrt the second dose not the same as the first):
"There is no evidence on the interchangeability of the COVID-19 vaccines although studies are underway. Therefore, every effort should be made to determine which vaccine the individual received and to complete with the same vaccine. For individuals who started the schedule and who attend for vaccination at a site where the same vaccine is not available, or if the first product received is unknown, it is reasonable to offer one dose of the locally available product to complete the schedule."
lane
Veteran
More queue jumping - PHE staff this time
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ue-jumping-as-phe-workers-given-covid-vaccine
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ue-jumping-as-phe-workers-given-covid-vaccine
Ajax Bay
Guru
- Location
- East Devon
Seems more like 'free ice creams' at the end of the day, which couldn't be put back in the freezer, and someone didn't want to waste.
The problem with that is that it fails to give sufficient encouragement to having a cunning plan for calling in eligible (ie in the current JCVI group being vaccinated) people for their first jab, at the end of a long day. Pretty sure that 10 days ago, a clear edict went out saying 'have a stand-by list of people in the priority categories' - and make it work.
Not easy to get this right, but we can endeavour so to do.
The problem with that is that it fails to give sufficient encouragement to having a cunning plan for calling in eligible (ie in the current JCVI group being vaccinated) people for their first jab, at the end of a long day. Pretty sure that 10 days ago, a clear edict went out saying 'have a stand-by list of people in the priority categories' - and make it work.
Not easy to get this right, but we can endeavour so to do.
Fundamentally different from the queue jumping by individual teachers deliberately subverting the system, that I highlighted yesterday.
Using leftover doses at the end of the day is sensible - but there should be a better protocol for allocation.
An individual deliberately inserting themselves in the queue for vaccines is morally repugnant.
Rusty Nails
We remember
- Location
- Living in the slow lane
If, as is often said, the British are good at queuing, stands to reason they will also be good at queue jumping.
Sh*t happens. There was something in the papers today about football players at Chesterfield being invited in to avoid end of day waste.
- Location
- London
Ajax Bay
Guru
- Location
- East Devon
I think it's fair to say that the effects on people's behaviour of inter alia rationing lasted a fair few years after '54. I'm sure my mother's approach to feeding us was influenced in such a way, and that affected us years on. Perhaps later 'baby boomers' less so.
Pale Rider
Legendary Member
That is so.
Rationing didn't end one day and there were supermarkets bursting with food the next.
The impact of rationing in people's minds was often permanent - they never forgot about it and it continued to influence their attitudes to food.
A small example: my grandmother didn't like me helping to peel potatoes because I 'took too much off'.
Her attitude was based purely on her memories of rationing when potatoes - and lots of other foods - were in short supply.
