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srw

It's a bit more complicated than that...
Err...no you're not. Don't suppose to speak for all those who voted Remain. It might work in this subforum echochamber but that's about it.
If Die Welt were right, you'd expect to see some material evidence of it in this opinion poll, coinciding with the period since about Christmas when it became clear that Britain's approach to the vaccine was more successful than the EU's.

Can you see it? I do not pretend to speak for all those who voted Remain, but I'm very confident that there is no vaccine-related regret from former Remainers.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questio...n-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/

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nickyboy

Norven Mankey
If Die Welt were right, you'd expect to see some material evidence of it in this opinion poll, coinciding with the period since about Christmas when it became clear that Britain's approach to the vaccine was more successful than the EU's.

Can you see it? I do not pretend to speak for all those who voted Remain, but I'm very confident that there is no vaccine-related regret from former Remainers.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questio...n-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/

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Your graph is laughable. The only bit that matters is the last couple of weeks, hell the last couple of days, as the vaccine distribution farrago plays out.

FWIW I agree with you that my personal Brexit views are unchanged by the vaccine situation. However it is a common error to mistake this echo chamber for the real world when it really isn't. It's self selecting, as are the people one speaks to in the real world
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
I am still waiting for anyone who knows a lot more about this topic and this contract in particular than can be picked up by trawling through Google to give us an authoritative opinion.
Could be here some time, so prejudiced conjecture will have to do for now.
Isn't the only authoritative opinion on it the ECJ? I don't think they have an account here.
 

Rocky

Hello decadence
However it is a common error to mistake this echo chamber for the real world when it really isn't. It's self selecting, as are the people one speaks to in the real world
I don't want to make too much of this and perhaps you are speaking for yourself, but not everyone spends their life in an echo chamber. I suspect plenty of us mix with a whole range of views. I'm a Remainer with a group of like minded friends but I'm also a lifelong member of a rugby club where 90% of the members, also my friends, are far far to the right of my view point and staunch Brexiteers. People do mix with others who have different political views.
 

Ajax Bay

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so prejudiced conjecture will have to do for now
Is that prejudiced conjecture on prejudiced conjecture?
no one knows what's in the AZ UK contract.
The (Edit: AZ-EU) contract ( Advance Purchase Agreement signed 14 Aug, with redactions) is in the public domain. None of the redactions affect the issues where all the aggravation occurred. Edit: Only a few people know what's in the AZ-UK contract, and I expect it'll stay that way. [Note: Edit after rt pointed out my failure to read what he wrote.]

Here is the latest analysis by IP Draughts - written by IP practitioners, who currently comprise members of the English law firm, Anderson Law LLP, at www.andlaw.eu (This is what I'd read yesterday, referred to in an earlier post.)
"whether AZ is required to divert UK-manufactured vaccine to the EU. now thinks it is clearer that AZ is not required to divert UK vaccine to the EU."
Easy comprehensible, short (but careful) read.
 
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lane

Veteran
One of my neighbours had the vaccine and collapsed and is now in hospital.

Which vaccine?
 

lane

Veteran
I don't want to make too much of this and perhaps you are speaking for yourself, but not everyone spends their life in an echo chamber. I suspect plenty of us mix with a whole range of views. I'm a Remainer with a group of like minded friends but I'm also a lifelong member of a rugby club where 90% of the members, also my friends, are far far to the right of my view point and staunch Brexiteers. People do mix with others who have different political views.

A stuanch remainer said to me maybe we were better out of EU as far as the vaccine is concerned. Don't know if it changed their mind overall.
 

Ajax Bay

Guru
Location
East Devon
Reducing this to statistics (I hope your neighbour recovers, of course, and gets out of hospital asap). Writing this looking at the elderly (rather than a health or social care, or care home worker, in Groups 1-2).
208,681 over 85s died in 2018, and there's an annual peak of deaths in January, so maybe 700 die on an average January day.
The over 85 population is about 1,603,000. Say 50,000 get jabbed each day. Of those 50,000, statistically 20 are likely to die every day. Some will not 'collapse'. Equally some will collapse but thank goodness not die.
I expect the NHS will be extra conscientious with your neighbour to establish or not any causal link between the date of vaccination and reasons for their collapse.
 
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Ajax Bay

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East Devon
Apologies - I'll try and pay more attention. I don't think the UK-AZ one will be shared anytime soon. It'd not be in either party's interest. Not sure its contents will add much to the hoo-ha. It was signed in May aiui. Is it going to say "feel free to satisfy other purchase agreements you (AZ) might sign with other nations/entities before us."?
 
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