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roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
Germany did much better first wave, by dint of acting sooner.
Then they got a functioning track and trace, which enabled looser restrictions than us, and lower caseload.
Second wave has now overwhelmed their tank and trace (we have never had a remotely functioning system at all). They've acted sooner than us (half the case load, 5x lower mortality rate), with a clear objective to get caseload back down to levels they can cope with. We don't yet know how successful they will be, of course.
As to politics - I'm afraid this has always and will always be political. Our response has been dictated by the ideology of the govt. Wanting a different policy (mine would be "copy Germany") is a political act.
Magna "carter" trending on twitter. Anti lockdown lot now trying to use it as a way to not comply. In short the Magna Carta won't.
View: https://twitter.com/goingmedieval/status/1323245542332338177?s=21
View: https://twitter.com/goingmedieval/status/1323245542332338177?s=21
glasgowcyclist
Charming but somewhat feckless
- Location
- Scotland
These are the same numbskulls who try to claim being a freeman on the land allows them to avoid prosecution for traffic offences.
randynewmanscat
Veteran
- Location
- Vienne, Poitou-Chrentes
Jesus wept! 30% of Liverpools hospital patients are corona patients. "its only like the flu, no worse than any flu season", do the few proponents of that boll0x on here stick to that claim?
randynewmanscat
Veteran
- Location
- Vienne, Poitou-Chrentes
Back in the war my grandad claimed his right to turn every light on in the house and keep the curtains open while the bombs rained down. Magna carta, covers all such social differences and choices. No it doesn't, it barely has significance in 21st century Britain.
randynewmanscat
Veteran
- Location
- Vienne, Poitou-Chrentes
Just realised where I have seen a similar fantasy. In the USA the people who printed off utterly boll0x "mask exemption certificates".
I make no apology for saying that if people must die from this plague it needs to be these people and not the ones who have so far taken it seriously.
All fine but if you can't contain it in hospitals with no visitors for many months and with NHS infection control professionals (now under pressure & flack), full PPE now used for everybody within 2m of a patient, any patient, and a huge amount of extra cleaning bods working 24/7, you can't protect a care home.......or supermarket or anywhere really.
If the government had been honest we wouldn't be in the pickle we are now. I would imagine we all agree that pillar 2 testing is seriously flawed, it should have been stopped months ago and only pillar 1 tests accepted as data, preferably with 2 tests. How can double + counting be accepted as ok if only endorsed by a glib government explanation that it is a by product of it's counting dates? But funnily enough something that does not happen with - results. How can the day you are tested affect your chances of being tested positive? Wow, I am so glad professionals picked up on this illogical data and investigated.
I thought double counting was an accepted fact? Part of the gov counting procedure. Are you saying that is false? Double counting has been taking place since spring as even a Google search will show. Double counting + results continues today.
The chances of testing positive (depending on area) are higher on other days than others, that does not make sense, fortunately it's explained by Dr Craig here.
It's a reet conundrum, how can deaths be about to overtake admissions? That's what happens when you lie for long enough.
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
Who is lying about what pray tell? Be specific.
Excess deaths: 60,000
Serology, population surveys, Zoe symptom app all consistent on cases.
You're howling at the moon.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Unless either hospitals or supermarkets have changed since my last visit, one has a lot more people spending longer there needing more hands-on care than the other! So I don't see why it's a surprise that it's more difficult to control the virus in one than the other.
kingrollo
Guru
liverpools ambulance service declared a major incident tonight as the couldn't cope with calls - but "There's no second wave !!!!!"
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Adam4868
Legendary Member
Mass testing for the city of Liverpool.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/everyone-liverpool-tested-covid-19-19210041
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/everyone-liverpool-tested-covid-19-19210041
