kingrollo
Guru
Well if we survive for 12 months - without elective appointment and elective surgery - you can guess what Boris and mates will be thinking.
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Well if we survive for 12 months - without elective appointment and elective surgery - you can guess what Boris and mates will be thinking.
Joey Shabadoo
My pronouns are "He", "Him" and "buggerlugs"
The strange times in which we live
View: https://twitter.com/iamCiaraKing/status/1323211194052857856
View: https://twitter.com/iamCiaraKing/status/1323211194052857856
Still think this is less deadly than Influenza ?
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...ive-year-averages-for-influenza-and-pneumonia
It's not just 2020 either
“More than three times as many deaths were recorded between January and August this year where COVID-19 was the underlying cause compared to influenza and pneumonia."
“The mortality rate for COVID-19 is also significantly higher than influenza and pneumonia rates for both 2020 and the five-year average."
“Since 1959, which is when ONS monthly death records began, the number of deaths due to influenza and pneumonia in the first eight months of every year have been lower than the number of COVID-19 deaths seen, so far, in 2020.”
Sarah Caul, Head of Mortality Analysis.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...ive-year-averages-for-influenza-and-pneumonia
It's not just 2020 either
“More than three times as many deaths were recorded between January and August this year where COVID-19 was the underlying cause compared to influenza and pneumonia."
“The mortality rate for COVID-19 is also significantly higher than influenza and pneumonia rates for both 2020 and the five-year average."
“Since 1959, which is when ONS monthly death records began, the number of deaths due to influenza and pneumonia in the first eight months of every year have been lower than the number of COVID-19 deaths seen, so far, in 2020.”
Sarah Caul, Head of Mortality Analysis.
Why would you include any Covid deaths from people already in a hospice?
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...2020#deaths-registered-by-place-of-occurrence
I saw the scaremongering duo today, they cannot tell us what the testing false + rate is, just think about that......they don't know or they won't say, either is scandalous.
Always impressed with the NHS when "big stuff" happens, it's always spot on. So when I see ICU opened up as 100% normal as opposed to 50% reserved for covid patients and then a mothballed much smaller area opened up to cope with them it's gives me optimism. They are risk averse so they know....considering ICU was complete bedlam in spring.
Totally different patients (generally) have been coming in compared to spring, a lot younger, more robust. An "average" admission in spring would be immobile, stuggling to breathe, I'd be worried for them. Now, not so, you'd be unlikely to think that they were ill. They've been getting fewer too which tallies in with the below.
Best news is that over 60's admissions are levelling off and discharges are going to overtake admissions. I believe autumn will have zero impact on excess deaths. Cases, admissions and deaths all falling, not just in the UK, but all over Europe, same patterns too. We have a serious testing problem and no need for any lockdown, nor is their any point to one.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...2020#deaths-registered-by-place-of-occurrence
I saw the scaremongering duo today, they cannot tell us what the testing false + rate is, just think about that......they don't know or they won't say, either is scandalous.
Always impressed with the NHS when "big stuff" happens, it's always spot on. So when I see ICU opened up as 100% normal as opposed to 50% reserved for covid patients and then a mothballed much smaller area opened up to cope with them it's gives me optimism. They are risk averse so they know....considering ICU was complete bedlam in spring.
Totally different patients (generally) have been coming in compared to spring, a lot younger, more robust. An "average" admission in spring would be immobile, stuggling to breathe, I'd be worried for them. Now, not so, you'd be unlikely to think that they were ill. They've been getting fewer too which tallies in with the below.
Best news is that over 60's admissions are levelling off and discharges are going to overtake admissions. I believe autumn will have zero impact on excess deaths. Cases, admissions and deaths all falling, not just in the UK, but all over Europe, same patterns too. We have a serious testing problem and no need for any lockdown, nor is their any point to one.
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
A warning from France for Covid sceptics.
Not that they'll heed it.
Not that they'll heed it.
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
classic33
Leg End Member
Bradford Royal Infirmary
Suspends some non-urgent surgery and outpatient appointments - following a rapid increase in Covid patients similar to the peak of the pandemic.
https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co...eries-due-sudden-spike-covid-patients-3009605
Suspends some non-urgent surgery and outpatient appointments - following a rapid increase in Covid patients similar to the peak of the pandemic.
https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co...eries-due-sudden-spike-covid-patients-3009605
classic33
Leg End Member
What do you suggest is recorded as cause of death. Regardless of location?Why would you include any Covid deaths from people already in a hospice?
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...2020#deaths-registered-by-place-of-occurrence
I saw the scaremongering duo today, they cannot tell us what the testing false + rate is, just think about that......they don't know or they won't say, either is scandalous.
Always impressed with the NHS when "big stuff" happens, it's always spot on. So when I see ICU opened up as 100% normal as opposed to 50% reserved for covid patients and then a mothballed much smaller area opened up to cope with them it's gives me optimism. They are risk averse so they know....considering ICU was complete bedlam in spring.
Totally different patients (generally) have been coming in compared to spring, a lot younger, more robust. An "average" admission in spring would be immobile, stuggling to breathe, I'd be worried for them. Now, not so, you'd be unlikely to think that they were ill. They've been getting fewer too which tallies in with the below.
Best news is that over 60's admissions are levelling off and discharges are going to overtake admissions. I believe autumn will have zero impact on excess deaths. Cases, admissions and deaths all falling, not just in the UK, but all over Europe, same patterns too. We have a serious testing problem and no need for any lockdown, nor is their any point to one.
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kingrollo
Guru
The thing is - no one has got this right - there is loads the experts don't know - theirs no shame in getting this wrong, but its like a 9 month crusade to prove he was right in February. why ?? .
There are some incredible people working in medicine - but the nature of the profession is that at times you are working on probabilities. I'm not 100% convinced we have a handle on how this thing is being transmitted - but I wouldn't suggest the people who study it are not giving us there best decisions, there not lying, there not idiots, it just all new and its not easy.
That's not true here. There is an expectation that ICU admissions are bound to increase over the next 10 days or so, reflecting the infection rate before the 'lockdown lite' measures, but if the infection rate goes down from now on the system will not be overwhelmed. The R rate over the last 7 days (I believe) has gone below 1, but there is absolutely no reason to be complacent. But at least that was a bit of good news.
Why not ?Why would you include any Covid deaths from people already in a hospice?
Clearly never worked in a Hospice not every one who go's in never come out many are admitted for symptom control and leave to enjoy life. Some for years with help from highly trained and dedicated Hospice staff. For many a hospice is not a place to die but to live. So if someone go's in for example pain control and becomes infected by covid or unknown to them arrives with it. If then a doctor belives and users professional judgment that covid was a factor in that death. They should and will recored it formal on a death certificate. You don't lose the right to be treated the same once you go in to a hospice your still a person and still valuable to society. If you think care homes got forgotten about it's nothing to what hospices had to deal with. They got left , forgotten probably because of thinking like yours.
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cookiemonster
Squire
- Location
- Hong Kong
Just an observation. The mass testing in Liverpool will test 500,000 people. Here in Hong Kong, 1.73 million were tested in 2 weeks, with everyone getting their results back in 3-5 days. Not a single glitch.
The UK has a track record of being very cautious on new testing technologies vs others throughout this pandemic.
Mass testing will come for more, but I feel based on past record and endless trials that it'll be the end of winter rather than the start of winter Boris et al. were promising even not so long ago.
It gets eaten up very quickly if you have a list of people to do a bung to, which has happened multiple times. When people look back in ten years there are likely to be those who never had a test and none the wider whether they ever had it.
All we do is chase the numbers with little idea how to use the data or too few public health staff to act on it quick enough. With one next big thing after another. The "a game changer" moments have come and gone. Back in June mass testing was coming within weeks for all NHS staff that's yet to happen.
@marinyork is right or past record and trials that never end it's only a matter of time before something come's. It's just clearing the blocks along the way that's our biggest issue. Most are though endless government interference and outsourcing to the next mate on the list. With no come back when you screw up.Or because Government got fixated on one they bought test's that everyone pointed out don't work.
It's come to something that if you go or work at a private school you can have a test done without an issue. But try to get a publicly funded one you can go and jump.
Even on things we look to be doing well at like a vaccine we have the government lead / mate openly giving away sensitive information. To a mass audience.
Data insight papers available on what happened in Australia. A lot to get though but shows covid effect across a wide range primary care services in detail inc pharmacy. It's summary starts with a clear message "The greatest single factor in responding to any crisis is the availability of high quality up to date information." We've yet to learn that never mind the rest.
https://polargp.org.au/primary-health-networks/covid-19-data-insight-papers/
https://polargp.org.au/primary-health-networks/covid-19-data-insight-papers/
