Coronavirus outbreak

[tom73]

So until this becomes a southern problem it’s not worth doing anything. Cut of the north and covid will stay away. What a good idea even better idea build a wall. Think Donald can even send them the plans.
They will soon change tack if they or someone close need's a ICU bed. As ICU beds are all one big UK wide system they may find the only one free now is "up north" but due to covid it's now taken.
It's easy for them and rest of them who are faffing about playing political games. They aren't the ones who will quite quickly have to start making some real hard life or death decisions and have to call relatives. Telling them a loved one will die without them being with them.

 

[fossyant]

Boris has to stop playing games and listen. It's not that GM hasn't agreed to Tier 3, they need more funding to protect jobs, which is fair enough. TBH I know many of us are still keeping well clear of others, and have been for months.

 

[tom73]

Andy need's to stop playing games too yes funding is needed, it need's to the fair and truly targeted at ones who really need help. Many have not even had any since this all started last time.It's also not just about money but what you do with it and what other interventions you can do. I really don't care which colour the clowns are I just wish they'd get out the big top and do something. Andy Burnham is not the best person with health matters he was hopeless health sec. Mid Staff's was on his watch the longer this go's on Mid Staff's situation will become the norm. I'm not in GM area but even here my local hospital now has no ICU beds.

 

[Adam4868]

Saying Burnham was a useless health secretary is in what way relevant now ?Johnson/Cummings will pile the pressure on Andy Burnham.Not a mention that there's plenty of northern Tory mps against this.All he's asking for is some proper support,people still have rents to pay and food to buy.As he said a "I'm allright Jack" letter from 20 Tory MPs somehow doesn't cut it.

 

[Adam4868]

Painful to watch this turd.

View: https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1317760236846043137?s=19

 

[tom73]

Totally agree it doesn't cut it and support has to come none of this should have been political. The current situation don't play to the normal political norms. But going what's right at the right time. Sadly that penny never dropped. Like I say I don't care with lot do things they just need to get on with it. As the current situation is a public health matter I'd say it is all part of it he never had a clue then and look's to have little now. Other than fighting for more help and support to ones in need. The problem is as at the same all this happening the same people are in need of help right now.

 

[tom73]

Painful to watch this turd.

View: https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1317760236846043137?s=19

Just when you though he'd gone away he's not been about for awhile.

 

[Adam4868]

Just when you though he'd gone away he's not been about for awhile.

He makes my skin crawl....and that's me trying to be nice.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

He makes my skin crawl....and that's me trying to be nice.

Lewis Carroll tried to warn us about the Slithy Gove but accidentally hit the letter above G.

 

[MartinQ]

Well despite trying to follow Mr Kilmisters advice

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVFJrOlwdkw&app=desktop

I'm officially down with the lurg. Try and stay safe guys.

 

[oldwheels]

So until this becomes a southern problem it’s not worth doing anything. Cut of the north and covid will stay away. What a good idea even better idea build a wall. Think Donald can even send them the plans.
They will soon change tack if they or someone close need's a ICU bed. As ICU beds are all one big UK wide system they may find the only one free now is "up north" but due to covid it's now taken.
It's easy for them and rest of them who are faffing about playing political games. They aren't the ones who will quite quickly have to start making some real hard life or death decisions and have to call relatives. Telling them a loved one will die without them being with them.

When you say ICU beds are all one big UK system do you mean that or do you mean England wide as our NHS in Scotland and also Wales I think are separate?

 

[marinyork]

The scientists are hitting Sunday tv doing good cop, bad cop routine. Playing up that various other studies, modelling are saying around 50,000 infections per day and on the other hand talking about vaccines and monoclonal antibodies available early in 2021.

 

[tom73]

Maybe the NHS is now such a massive patch work quilt of a mess it's hard to keep up. Some historic much sadly due to political fun and games. Though most of the day to day management stuff is separate. Some things still cooperate with each other no one is going to turn down a request for a ICU bed or Peds ICU. Much of critical care capacity is seen as one system and coordinated that way. Some people may live in one area but served by different one. Which may be the online with a bed or offers that service.

 

[tom73]

The scientists are hitting Sunday tv doing good cop, bad cop routine. Playing up that various other studies, modelling are saying around 50,000 infections per day and on the other hand talking about vaccines and monoclonal antibodies available early in 2021.

It look's like even most of the main stream media are happy to play along. The amount of air time they filling in favour of the anti bunch is getting worrying. Fact's or even having credible qualified scientists has gone out the window.

 

[PK99]

Sharing NHS data with the police! This does nothing to lessen my feeling that the NHS bit of NHS test and trace is nothing but instrumentalisation. A brand reappropriated.

This is why very early in this thread I said that Track and Trace could not work in the UK as it was doing in China, South Korea and Taiwan.

In those countries T&T was imposed with the full force of State their militarised police forces.

Here, civil liberties trump all other considerations.

The Chinese do what they are allowed or told to do. We do as we wish. Hence the late rush to the pub and ignoring rules re groups.

We saw Anti mask rallies in Trafalgar square.
What would have been the Chinese response to an anti mask rally in Tiananmen Square?