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tom73

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
Hospitalisations from the current university outbreaks are being reported some critically so.
Like it or not Universities have a duty of care and many look to be clearly lacking any. It was wholly predicable that allowing mass movement from across the county and stick them in uni accommodation. Which at best is a shoe box room and shared social areas that at best are just about socially clean. Was not going to be a problem is mad as is the idea that some how it's ok to use them as some large scale lab experiment. Most may well be ok we just don't know equally we just don't know what the long term effects of even a mild infection is.

Plenty is now out and main stream about the effects of long covid. It can't just be laughed off anymore. They also have a duty of care to local people who live near by many are based in areas of already over crowded poor housing. Which are hot beds of poor health long before covid they also have a duty to ensure local primary health care don't get over whelmed by localised outbreaks. Relaying on GP's and public health to pick up this mess is pretty piss poor. That's before we even start on protecting the staff.

Did each university carry out student by student covid risk assessment? Lowered student numbers per house block ? Had a plan in place for testing or an idea of how to get some pretty quick? they had plenty of time to see the government was never going to do it.
A plan how to use any data in ways past total numbers but room, by room, block by block, case by case.
Provided extra funding and staff for on campus health care and mental health services ?
To say they are centres of learning they don't look have even started doing anything sort of research into how outbreaks behave on campus. Or how to manage them on and off campus.

So let's face it allowing them back on mass has nothing to do with academic quality. It's totally about money they've taken it so now they need to spend it and live up to the all the marketing and show they care.
 

RoadRider400

Some bloke that likes cycling alone
And go home to kill nan for Christmas...
In fairness John raises a good point. You have a lot of very young people in nearby proximity who are highly unlikely to get seriously ill. Get them all together parting and they will all have a few months worth of antibodies mean when they see nan for Christmas they will not make her ill. Rather than try and isolate them into their rooms and allow it to spread slowly. If there is no vaccine on the horizon this is exactly the thing we need to be doing. Getting herd immunity through the young and fit. University halls are the perfect petri dishes.
Brilliantly simplistic. Brilliant.
 
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deptfordmarmoset

Full time tea drinker
Location
Armonmy Way
In fairness John raises a good point. You have a lot of very young people in nearby proximity who are highly unlikely to get seriously ill. Get them all together parting and they will all have a few months worth of antibodies mean when they see nan for Christmas they will not make her ill. Rather than try and isolate them into their rooms and allow it to spread slowly. If there is no vaccine on the horizon this is exactly the thing we need to be doing. Getting herd immunity through the young and fit. University halls are the perfect petri dishes.
Brilliantly simplistic. Brilliant.
Do you mean simplistic or simple?
 

roubaixtuesday

self serving virtue signaller
Cases straight back down to 13,900 today, so good news assuming they're reliable (given last weeks farkup and the large daily change).
 

deptfordmarmoset

Full time tea drinker
Location
Armonmy Way
Cases straight back down to 13,900 today, so good news assuming they're reliable (given last weeks farkup and the large daily change).
Today's Covid Symptom survey estimate of active cases in Lewisham has just been posted.
551405
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
Indeed and there’s no plan to vaccinate under 50s in first wave of any vaccine unless they are known to be in a vulnerable group. [...]
Please can you tell us where you read the plan?
 

classic33

Leg End Member
It's the people like you who want to disrupt daily life that are making it last much longer than it needs to. No-one can stop the virus, so we might as well let it run and get it over and done with, then normality can return ASAP.
Do you want years of worsening economic damage, business failures, millions more job losses, and long-term interference in people's right to go about their business as they see fit?
If they shut the pubs your interest in economic damage will be over. Basing this on your sole "economic activity" interests" to date.

I've said this before, I just want to get back to normal. Whilst well aware that what constitutes "normal" after this ain't gonna be like it was before.

You want to let it run it's course, but have no idea what that course may be. This in order to allow you your "economic activity". What do you think those of us, following the rules, have been living off, not so fresh air! We've had to pay for what we've used.

I want to run my life as I see fit, but the longer the rules are broken, the longer this will continue. Think of it as being kept in as a class at school, because of the actions of a minority. Each time there's a chance of getting out, someone does something to prolong it further, for everyone.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
That's easily fixed. You keep the study aspect of university life online and let the students mix amongst themselves as much as they like. Skipdriver is right on this matter. Let the virus rip through the student population. There will be virtually zero hospitalisations as a result. Let them all catch it and develop some element of immunity before it's time to return to families in December
As you put it yourself later in your post:
The problem is that most students live in private rental housing and university has no control over the students here. So it won't work.
Why doesn't that make the student-sacrifice plan impossible too?

Even if they are in uni-controlled housing, they're not prisoners and some will get out - and then there's all the food and services that have to be delivered.

Far from it being easily fixed, we can't completely isolate students from the "gown towns" hosting them. We can't even isolate them from their universities because some courses have essential lab or practical work that will put them in contact with Teaching Assistants at least, so now you've got to confine TAs and they're not as young as the students, so there will be a death toll, probably including many of our country's future researchers and lecturers.

And then you've got the problem of what happens when December 21st arrives and students want to go home as promised in return for this crazy plan but you've still got half of them testing antibody-negative in some unis?

And then you've got the problem of natural immunity maybe not lasting more than a couple of months, so do you have to do this all again next term? And the term after that? And next year? How long will it be before the "virtually zero" death toll doesn't look so zero? Do we know much about reinfection survival yet? And how many would suffer long-covid symptoms?

How is all this "easily fixed"?

It looks like a hell of a gamble compared to following WHO advice for a change: test, test, test, distance, mask and wash.
 
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