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mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
There's been lots of noise recently again about Sweden, including the usual bollocks about how it's all over there because of herd immunity. [....] Only anecdotal of course, but nevertheless definitely not "over".
I included Sweden in the graph I posted earlier. Exploring the data makes me suspect that they've not really started the second wave yet, after a first wave that took about two months longer to pass than here. They may just be bumping along a higher interwave baseline level than here, possibly due to Sweden's supposed constitutional inability to impose anything much tighter than what the UK had for the week before the main lockdown.

There's also no sign of herd immunity yet in countries that have had far higher case densitites than Sweden, such as the US and Brazil, which appear to be having prolonged first waves still.

The government is now full blown psychotic, their lockdowns are proven to not work,
Proven, except for all the evidence of first waves being reduced. It's more difficult to see whether the so-called "local lockdowns" are working, but that may be for a variety of reasons, including locking down the wrong things, lower compliance or confounding actions like migrating students into halls of residence.

It certainly does not need protecting now from this virus, nor will it ever.
I hope you're right, but time will tell.

The average age of a victim is higher than the average UK lifespan.
So? Is anyone who lives past about 80 expendable to you?

The recent US university spike produced 70000 cases wow! But.....no deaths, the UK's university "spikes" won't prove any different.
I seriously doubt that it produced no deaths. Presumably you mean that none of the students died quickly from it? But what about those in their cities who they infected and what about long-term affects on those students? In the UK, having caught Asian flu and Hong Kong flu when young is still a detectable factor in health and deaths.

Great to see both left and right wing newspapers today calling out lockdowns and (some) covid risk today, they have all woken up at long last to which way the wind is blowing, they could and should have done so much better. Sanity at last!
Only if by "great to see" you hate people and want to see more of your countrymen die. It gives me no confidence that this country has the stomach for the fight and to take even the relatively small steps to master this disease until vaccines are available. I predict less mask-wearing, more space-invaders and wider infection if this dodgy view keeps getting the oxygen of publicity in the press.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
I assumed @MarkF meant MSM - ie a conspiracy theory that information is being concealed. No idea what ICQ is, sorry.
Sorry, lame joke: ICQ ("I seek you") was a commercial internet chat service from a similar time to MSN Messenger (Micro Soft Network).
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
Don't worry, at least one person got your lame joke. Can you still remember your UIN?
Nope, so I suspect my User Identification Number wasn't even as memorable as the university IP number addresses that are still stuck in my mind... Apparently, ICQ got bought by AOL and then by Mail.RU and is still stumbling on, but there are allegations that Russian security services snoop on it. MSN Messenger was rebranded a few times and finally officially closed in 2014.
 

tom73

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
The Sun claims to have a leak on a vaccine plan. One of two vaccines could start being given in very small numbers from November to the end of the year.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12872851/nhs-covid-vaccine-jab-christmas/
No word on who's going to supervise all these extra people dishing out jabs or who's going to train them.
Will we even know by November if they really work or how long they last ? Have they any plan on what to do if they don't or turn out to be a bit nasty weeks or mouths later?
We can't afford any mistrust of this vaccine given how important it's going to be. Rushing headlong into this could well risk everything.
 

stowie

Legendary Member
There's also no sign of herd immunity yet in countries that have had far higher case densitites than Sweden, such as the US and Brazil, which appear to be having prolonged first waves still.

Manaus - Brazil - has seen a surge in COVID cases recently and have shut down bars and restaurants. Manaus was the city that didn't really lock down first time around and ended up seeing huge rates of COVID. Hospitals couldn't cope and the city authority ended up burying the dead in mass graves. From anti-body studies, researchers estimated maybe 44%-66% of the population had been infected in the April epidemic.

In July the number of cases dropped dramatically and it was speculated that this was due to herd immunity.

But the recent increase in cases indicates that either the numbers infected were too low for effective herd immunity or that the individual immunity wasn't effective for more than 4-6 months.
 

roubaixtuesday

self serving virtue signaller
Covid is a cure for flu?

Indeed, yes, it is

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deptfordmarmoset

Full time tea drinker
Location
Armonmy Way
Here we go, one of the best yet. So instead of a "normal" anywhere between 1000's and 30000 dying of flu in a winter season, 394 people died of flu in January to August 2020. You couldn't make it up, oh, they just did, unless Covid is a cure for flu?:laugh:

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...-and-pneumonia-combined-figures-show-12098893
Flu figures were already low at the beginning of the year and social distancing, better hygiene and masks will not have helped the flu virus spread throughout the year. BTW, the Guardian had the figures down as 3 times more deadly than pneumonia and 100 times more deadly than flu this year.
 

Ming the Merciless

There is no mercy
Location
Inside my skull
Dion Humphreys from Porthmadog wrote: “Absolutely f***ing knob there’s a reason parts of Wales are going in to lockdown, we don’t want you lot bringing more cases to Wales. Now f*** off and stay in England.”

Welcome to Wales. The mistaken belief that others bring the virus into their area rather than they brought it themselves. But like Trump blaming everything on China.
 
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