Coronavirus outbreak

[mjr]

I think anyone would struggle to defend the UK’s response to this, but even countries who did respond well are now seeing a resurgence, Germany had nearly 4000 cases yesterday.

Very different magnitude to the UK:

 

[pawl]

Did anyone see the bit on the news about the people suffering from long Covid symptoms too? They only had mild symptoms at the time but are still suffering and needing physio in some cases. This is going to cost the country for so many years to come. I hope the government is going to be prepared to do all they can to ensure the NHS are up to the task of not only dealing with this disease but all the aftermath. As for many businesses, I am really fearful that a large percentage just won't make it through this.

There was an article in last weeks comic regarding long Covid-19 It was looking at previously fit athletes that had fairly mild symptoms.Recovery appeared to be worse than the virus Fifteen minutes left them tired and breathless.The idiots who bang about it is only dangerous in the over fifty’s shouldlook at not only the short term affects but also the long term damage being done to the bodies vital organs.

 

[marinyork]

The Sun claims to have a leak on a vaccine plan. One of two vaccines could start being given in very small numbers from November to the end of the year.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12872851/nhs-covid-vaccine-jab-christmas/

 

[mjr]

The Sun claims to have a leak on a vaccine plan. One of two vaccines could start being given in very small numbers from November to the end of the year.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12872851/nhs-covid-vaccine-jab-christmas/

The leak appears to be merely that the NHS has a vaccination plan. No news on when it might be used: "first trial results is in a month’s time ... Leaked provisional plans asked NHS teams to be ready from late October for mass vaccination. But with no treatment yet ready, the timings have been pushed back"

 

[roubaixtuesday]

The leak appears to be merely that the NHS has a vaccination plan. No news on when it might be used: "first trial results is in a month’s time ... Leaked provisional plans asked NHS teams to be ready from late October for mass vaccination. But with no treatment yet ready, the timings have been pushed back"

I'd farking well hope we have a detailed, well thought through plan consulted with public, parliament, NHS and other interested parties by now, given that it's possible we'll have vaccine results in the next few days or weeks.

There are profound ethical and practical considerations.

To have done this half arsed and in secret would mesh perfectly with govt response though.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

There's been lots of noise recently again about Sweden, including the usual bollocks about how it's all over there because of herd immunity.

I work on a project with Swedish lead, based in Gothenburg. Her husband's just tested positive, she's in for hers today.

Only anecdotal of course, but nevertheless definitely not "over".

 

[marinyork]

The leak appears to be merely that the NHS has a vaccination plan. No news on when it might be used: "first trial results is in a month’s time ... Leaked provisional plans asked NHS teams to be ready from late October for mass vaccination. But with no treatment yet ready, the timings have been pushed back"

Noise the last couple of days. It's interesting it puts numbers on it. Perhaps a million jabs per month in the first 1-2 months.

 

[MarkF]

It's not a resurgance, but an entirely predictable rise at the same time as flu rises every year and for the same reasons, it'll rise again no doubt in winter, as flu also does.

The seasonal virus is endemic, in households, schools, universitys, workplaces, care homes and in hospitals. We have to live with it and doing
that is not going to be a human disaster.The government is now full blown psychotic, their lockdowns are proven to not work, the virus doesn't recognise any lockdown and these will provide no positives only negatives, just as if they'd been implemented to combat flu (of which masks have, unsurprisingly, made not a jot of difference). These lockdowns will be sure to kill many more, totally unnecessarily.

Remember, this started to "faltten the curve" and protect the NHS (fair enough), but which we now know didn't need protecting even at the virus peak capacity. It certainly does not need protecting now from this virus, nor will it ever.

The lockdown/measures are based on false test results, not deaths, not hospitalisations, not even poorly people but deliberate manipulation of data. Apart from the generally accepted huge % of false positives ,"cases"......

If I test positive today, I am included in this weeks stats
If I test negative today, I am included in this weeks stats.
If I have a later second test and test positive, I am included in that weeks stats
If I have a later second test and test negative, I am included NOT included that weeks stats.

Why no MSN data on hospital recoveries along with deaths, cases and hospitalisations? They are spectacularly high, they would give some perspective and stop the general public of being scared to death of a casedemic promising a never-to-arrive second wave which would carry a pretty much infinesimal risk anyway.

The average age of a victim is higher than the average UK lifespan.
Less than 320 UK citizens under 60 years of age have died of the virus.
The recent US university spike produced 70000 cases wow! But.....no deaths, the UK's university "spikes" won't prove any different.

Great to see both left and right wing newspapers today calling out lockdowns and (some) covid risk today, they have all woken up at long last to which way the wind is blowing, they could and should have done so much better. Sanity at last!

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

... I am included NOT included ...

What?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

the virus doesn't recognise any lockdown

Except the one in March.

Oh, and the one in China.

Etc.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Why no MSN data on hospital recoveries along with deaths, cases and hospitalisations?

Because they are not reported by the authorities in this country

 

[roubaixtuesday]

the UK's university "spikes" won't prove any different.

Yes they will, the overspill into the community will infect the vulnerable and kill them.

I could go on on the various misconceptions, wishful thinking and downright falsehoods in your latest long screed, but it's too tedious.

 

[mjr]

Because they are not reported by the authorities in this country

What's MSN data? Is it better or worse than ICQ data?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

What's MSN data? Is it better or worse than ICQ data?

I assumed @MarkF meant MSM - ie a conspiracy theory that information is being concealed. No idea what ICQ is, sorry.

 

[steve292]

You sure about this?

lockdowns are proven to not work, the virus doesn't recognise any lockdown and these will provide no positives only negatives, just as if they'd been implemented to combat flu (of which masks have, unsurprisingly, made not a jot of difference).