Coronavirus outbreak

[classic33]

If they really believe either this is just like flu, it only kills the old or once you get it you're fine. They can always try it and sign up for the vaccine trail. Once challenger trails start they have to give you Covid 1st. Guess the idea of helping mankind would be too much to take.

I've been told that any vaccine, should one be developed, won't be given to me. Just like a load of other routine, for others, vaccines.

Wonder how many of those who have advocated the herd immunity, on here, will sign up for the trials.

 

[SkipdiverJohn]

If they really believe either this is just like flu, it only kills the old or once you get it you're fine. They can always try it and sign up for the vaccine trail. Once challenger trails start they have to give you Covid 1st. Guess the idea of helping mankind would be too much to take.

It wouldn't bother me being infected with it, as I reckon I've already had it anyway early this year. I'm surprised they haven't asked for volunteers to be deliberately infected with the virus then paid their wages to self-isolate for a couple of weeks. That would soon get the immunity rates up. No doubt all the do-gooders will come out of the woodwork and say it's unethical to actively give someone an infection - but I don't see the problem if they volunteer.

 

[classic33]

It wouldn't bother me being infected with it, as I reckon I've already had it anyway early this year. I'm surprised they haven't asked for volunteers to be deliberately infected with the virus then paid their wages to self-isolate for a couple of weeks. That would soon get the immunity rates up. No doubt all the do-gooders will come out of the woodwork and say it's unethical to actively give someone an infection - but I don't see the problem if they volunteer.

Nows your chance to step forward and gain immunity
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54275096

Have you ever volunteered for medication trials, I have.

 

[PK99]

Our county must be full of block heads then. Other counties have not had half as many issues as us. Public health need clear , simple, and consistent messaging. Other counties worked that out and it’s paid off. If a HCP is unsure if someone they manage needs a test then that’s not down to being thick. We can’t equally put it all down to not giving a stuff either.
Most of the data that wolund help improve the situation the government don’t even collect the little they do collect they make pubic.

My two daughters currently live in Vancouver.

There bars and restaurants closed voluntarily before any lockdown, people social distanced before any official announcement requiring it.
They report no kick-back against any of the restrictions

Given the UK "rush to the pub before they lock us down" and the refusal of too many to comply, yes, I think you are right: Our county must be full of block heads

 

[SkipdiverJohn]

Given the UK "rush to the pub before they lock us down" and the refusal of too many to comply, yes, I think you are right: Our county must be full of block heads

A lot comes down to how much trust or distrust the public have in the government or in politics generally. In this country, political hypocrisy, incompetence, double standards, and generally unsavoury behaviour are widespread and the default public response to any policy any politician tries to promote is derision, scepticism, and outright hostility. If politicians were trusted and respected, then the plebs might be more minded to play the game. But the political establishment is despised, so it's "up yours mate, you're all a load of crooks anyway"

 

[marinyork]

@marinyork at least seems to "get it" as regards public behaviour, even if he might not agree with the things they do or don't do. A lot of you just have the attitude that because you're happy to believe in and lap up whatever crap the government serves up, that we should all do the same. Well, that just ain't happening I can assure you of that!

There are some areas that from the behavioural point of view, not medical point of view are extremely problematic and not really talked about much. One is the government calling it self isolation rather than what it really is which is quarantine. The second aspect which is more important is the length of time. So originally people were self isolating for 7 days earlier in the pandemic, now people are told to observe much stricter measures not leaving the grounds of a property at all and for 10 days or 14 days depending on how whether it's a test or someone believed to come in contact with someone who tested positive (although some others can leave depending on circumstances but let's not get into that). This just looks complete nonsense to the population and aside from economics and other factors will be why only 20% of people were sticking to it.

People might get very upset about writing that, until they realise that France had an open debate about it and then recently reduced quarantine from 14 days to 7, for the same reasoning. That's not encouraging people not to quarantine, it's something that's clearly not working and difficult to make to work with higher than 20% of people sticking to it.

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I believe a lot of the stuff the public was told at the start has stuck in their heads and has a greater weight than anything said since around June. So washing hands, worrying about sanitiser being around, think of it as a mild illness in most people (interesting with the long covid debate). Early comments talking about herd immunity. Early comments talking about immunity. The only exception to this is masks where that one came much later and people have taken on board. Probably because of those daily political press conferences why people stopped listening, among other reasons.

It is difficult to get a population to do anything for more than a few weeks and I agree that the moving goalposts make it vastly harder.

 

[PK99]

On the subject of how safe situations are and now we have growing number of cases.
It's worth giving this another shout out within hours it become the most requested article the BMJ has ever had.
Two metres or one: what is the evidence for physical distancing in covid-19?
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3223
Has a simple to understand table of situations and risk inc effect of ventilation.
Print it off and stick on the fridge it's been translated into most languages even a colour blind vision. If you need one just ask.

OFFFS!

"Wear a mask" is clearly too difficult for too many to understand and too controversial for many others to wish to comply.

This table is amost the definition of TLDNR!

 

[PK99]

There are some areas that from the behavioural point of view, not medical point of view are extremely problematic and not really talked about much. One is the government calling it self isolation rather than what it really is which is quarantine. The second aspect which is more important is the length of time. So originally people were self isolating for 7 days earlier in the pandemic, now people are told to observe much stricter measures not leaving the grounds of a property at all and for 10 days or 14 days depending on how whether it's a test or someone believed to come in contact with someone who tested positive (although some others can leave depending on circumstances but let's not get into that). This just looks complete nonsense to the population and aside from economics and other factors will be why only 20% of people were sticking to it.

People might get very upset about writing that, until they realise that France had an open debate about it and then recently reduced quarantine from 14 days to 7, for the same reasoning. That's not encouraging people not to quarantine, it's something that's clearly not working and difficult to make to work with higher than 20% of people sticking to it.

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I believe a lot of the stuff the public was told at the start has stuck in their heads and has a greater weight than anything said since around June. So washing hands, worrying about sanitiser being around, think of it as a mild illness in most people (interesting with the long covid debate). Early comments talking about herd immunity. Early comments talking about immunity. The only exception to this is masks where that one came much later and people have taken on board. Probably because of those daily political press conferences.

We should have adopted the Chinese approach of bricking up entrances or chaining entrance gates to residential compounds.

 

[classic33]

A lot comes down to how much trust or distrust the public have in the government or in politics generally. In this country, political hypocrisy, incompetence, double standards, and generally unsavoury behaviour are widespread and the default public response to any policy any politician tries to promote is derision, scepticism, and outright hostility. If politicians were trusted and respected, then the plebs might be more minded to play the gaame. But the political establishment is despised, so it's "up yours mate, you're all a load of crooks anyway"

I don't trust many of those running pubs. Underage drinkers being served, let alone on the premises by themselves. Some even still in the better part of their school uniforms. Something that has long been illegal.

With that in mind, how are we to trust them to keep simple records, and to a few new minor requirements. Basic hygiene, restrictions on the numbers on the premises, those sort of things.

 

[marinyork]

We should have adopted the Chinese approach of bricking up entrances or chaining entrance gates to residential compounds.

Well the nearest we've got to that is the reaction to university accommodation. Unfortunately it's such dense accommodation and it'll still go around people in the same 'household' of flats sharing kitchens and bathrooms anyway. In China within household transmission was still very high.

 

[SkipdiverJohn]

We should have adopted the Chinese approach of bricking up entrances or chaining entrance gates to residential compounds.

That's pretty much the policy Kim Jong Sturgeon seems to be persuing in Scotland. Its turning into a proper dictatorship and she's loving every minute of it. To all those SNP voters, enjoy.

 

[marinyork]

OFFFS!

"Wear a mask" is clearly too difficult for too many to understand and too controversial for many others to wish to comply.

This table is almost the definition of TLDNR!

I think that compliance with masks is on the whole pretty good. Distancing has gone out of the window. There is not much 1m+ when wearing masks, let alone 2 metres. Distance is observed far less than the wearing of masks now.

 

[PK99]

I think that compliance with masks is on the whole pretty good. Distancing has gone out of the window. There is not much 1m+ when wearing masks, let alone 2 metres. Distance is observed far less than the wearing of masks now.

That is exactly the argument the Swedish Covid guru put against masks several weeks ago:

Social distancing is the most effective protection, and wearing masks gives an illusion of protection and social distancing is reduced.

 

[SkipdiverJohn]

I don't trust many of those running pubs. Underage drinkers being served, let alone on the premises by themselves. Some even still in the better part of their school uniforms. Something that has long been illegal..

Underage drinking is much less common than it used to be. I used to drink underage, and so did a lot of my peers. We had left school by that time though. It was still illegal back then, too, but often a blind eye was turned so long as you behaved yourself and didn't get pissed. In retrospect underage drinking probably had an overall positive influence on customer behaviour, as if you wanted to be allowed to drink with the adults, you had to learn to behave like one. A lot of todays over-18's are far more of a pain in the arse than the likes of me ever were at 16/17 drinking in pubs.

 

[classic33]

Underage drinking is much less common than it used to be. I used to drink underage, and so did a lot of my peers. We had left school by that time though. It was still illegal back then, too, but often a blind eye was turned so long as you behaved yourself and didn't get pissed. In retrospect underage drinking probably had an overall positive influence on customer behaviour, as if you wanted to be allowed to drink with the adults, you had to learn to behave like one. A lot of todays over-18's are far more of a pain in the arse than the likes of me ever were at 16/17 drinking in pubs.

And you drunk, under age, in pubs in the middle of a pandemic when records of who were on the premises were being kept. Or at least when the legal requirement to do so was there?