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PK99

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Underage drinking is much less common than it used to be. I used to drink underage, and so did a lot of my peers. We had left school by that time though. It was still illegal back then, too, but often a blind eye was turned so long as you behaved yourself and didn't get pissed. In retrospect underage drinking probably had an overall positive influence on customer behaviour, as if you wanted to be allowed to drink with the adults, you had to learn to behave like one. A lot of todays over-18's are far more of a pain in the arse than the likes of me ever were at 16/17 drinking in pubs.

My experience also. Pubs were Adult Spaces - to be tolerated us teenagers had to Behave Like Adults.

Part of the problem now wrt social distancing in pubs and bars is that too many are packed with young adults who behave like out of control teenagers.
 

marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
I went to a pub tonight (outside) even though I had thought yesterday would be the last visit to any sort of venue.

The pub had had a covid inspection.

Certainly within some groups if anyone has the virus it'll be passed on to someone else within that group.
 
It wouldn't bother me being infected with it, as I reckon I've already had it anyway early this year


Rodents infected with the toxoplasma gondii parasite lose all of their fear response around cats, it hijacks their nervous system in order to allow the rodent to be caught and eaten - the parasite predominantly reproduces in the intestines of cats.

In this regard, I reckon your brain has been hijacked by covid for the purposes of spreading covid.
 
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SkipdiverJohn

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Location
London
I think that compliance with masks is on the whole pretty good. Distancing has gone out of the window. There is not much 1m+ when wearing masks, let alone 2 metres. Distance is observed far less than the wearing of masks now.

That is exactly the argument the Swedish Covid guru put against masks several weeks ago:

Social distancing is the most effective protection, and wearing masks gives an illusion of protection and social distancing is reduced.

My own observation, is that most people will wear a mask in big shops that have a security guard simply because it's less hassle than arguing the toss about it. Small food shops, especially ethnic-owned ones, are a completely different matter. In those, the majority of customers wander around unmasked and no-one, either staff or other customers, gives a toss.
There's no social distancing observed in either large or small shops, with or without a mask. The ones who have bought into mask wearing think it gives them a protective force field and therefore distance doesn't matter. A lot of people just aren't bothered full stop.
Go and stand outside any mosque at praying time, and witness groups all congregating within touching distance of each other having a good old chat, none of them with masks on. I can honestly say customer behaviour inside the pub is more virus safe than inside shops or out on the street!
 

tom73

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
OFFFS!

"Wear a mask" is clearly too difficult for too many to understand and too controversial for many others to wish to comply.

This table is amost the definition of TLDNR!

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Then don't read it then. Clearly you know much more about this then the once who but this together. Some work placers and environments it's not possible to achieve anything reaching the required level of mask use to make placers safe. Equally ventilation has a key role to play in transmission which together with other measures can reduce or increases the risk. Something the government has yet to formally openly talk about. Other than without much fanfare change a few covid secure guidelines. Many simply don't have a choice what environment they work in. Or even live in. It make's perfect sense to provide simple to understand information on the risks and methods of transmission. Again something the government is failing to inform the public. Which is partly why many just don't understand why is ok to do x but not y. Which to the public appear to at odds with why they've been told they can or can't do something. If we had anything reaching simple and informed public health measure then we may have a change of being on the way to fixing this. It's not difficult but clearly not possible for the government.
 

Julia9054

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Location
Knaresborough
The ones who have bought into mask wearing think it gives them a protective force field and therefore distance doesn't matter.
Queuing in mini Sainsbury's down the aisle this week, a man squeezed past me to reach the back of the queue when the arrows clearly indicated he should walk down the next aisle to reach the back. I said "you could have gone round ". His response was "but I've got a mask on"
 

oldwheels

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Location
Isle of Mull
Where I live mask wearing is pretty nearly 100% and those not wearing one are told to abide by the rules and distancing is also actively encouraged. Someone who visited Glasgow recently had a different story tho' and said that many if not most seemed to not bother.
Perhaps that is why we seem to have no current cases here tho' the tourist lovers would try to suppress any information in case it frightened a customer.
 

SkipdiverJohn

Deplorable Brexiteer
Location
London
Perhaps that is why we seem to have no current cases here tho' the tourist lovers would try to suppress any information in case it frightened a customer.

As a certain J.Lydon once said, tourists are money. No economic activity, no tourism = no future. Sturgeon doesn't seem to care too much about that though. She will when half the voting population haven't got any paid employment because of her dictatorial and over zealous policy of trying to gold plate any rules coming from Johnson then ratchet them up a gear just to show how "seriously" she's taking it.
 
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tom73

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
There are some areas that from the behavioural point of view, not medical point of view are extremely problematic and not really talked about much. One is the government calling it self isolation rather than what it really is which is quarantine. The second aspect which is more important is the length of time. So originally people were self isolating for 7 days earlier in the pandemic, now people are told to observe much stricter measures not leaving the grounds of a property at all and for 10 days or 14 days depending on how whether it's a test or someone believed to come in contact with someone who tested positive (although some others can leave depending on circumstances but let's not get into that). This just looks complete nonsense to the population and aside from economics and other factors will be why only 20% of people were sticking to it.

People might get very upset about writing that, until they realise that France had an open debate about it and then recently reduced quarantine from 14 days to 7, for the same reasoning. That's not encouraging people not to quarantine, it's something that's clearly not working and difficult to make to work with higher than 20% of people sticking to it.

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I believe a lot of the stuff the public was told at the start has stuck in their heads and has a greater weight than anything said since around June. So washing hands, worrying about sanitiser being around, think of it as a mild illness in most people (interesting with the long covid debate). Early comments talking about herd immunity. Early comments talking about immunity. The only exception to this is masks where that one came much later and people have taken on board. Probably because of those daily political press conferences why people stopped listening, among other reasons.

It is difficult to get a population to do anything for more than a few weeks and I agree that the moving goalposts make it vastly harder.

It's funny that around election time they fall over themselves backwards to really get to understand what message works and how people are engeaginging with it. But when it comes to situations like this which really do need to be understood it's a total void. Early on much of the advice was just re-enforcing annual flu message. Which to most require little change or effect and is taken as a given in many peoples mind.
They become one a off change which tend to be easy to accept. Covid requires behaviour change day after day so the message needs to change. Telling people what not to do is easier than advising them about what to do in the right way and in the right circumstances. But that's not happening. Leading to what we have now and most not having a clue what the right things is to do. Add in the mass of SM rubbish and other crap that's now had time to build up. which early on was less mainstream and you have even a bigger problem. Much of the main steam media has just added to the fire. The Government ,wider political debate and the media using mostly scientific and clinical language as throw away sound bites with little context did and continues to make it worse. Something which Whitty, Valance and others have had to learn quickly.

Your right about June and not much has worked since which most likely is largely off the back of mid may and the big push of the "Stay alert"
message. Which lead to the continuing confused messages about what might be possible to do or not. you can't expect. The relative secrecy and lack of transparency around the government has just compounded it. You can't just go for one extreme to the other without backing it with clear messages and clear information.

Who did come up with "self isolation" ? It look's to be the widely used term in many placers WHO seem to like so maybe it's just been taken as read that's what you call it. I agree it's use is problematic quarantine is mostly understood it's been in use long enough. Was that thought to be outdated or not user friendly enough? I've not seen any back ground to why it's fallen from favour.
Do you know which counties have a high compliance rate with self isolation that don't use strict enforcement to back it up?
Do any that have that approach also provide support when you're asked to do it or do they just expect you find a way as we do?
The 500 quid idea just won't do it it's more than that what's needed.
 
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tom73

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Yorkshire
Any test booked outside the app won't work with it appears.
Some can't enter a negative result but more a problem is tests via ONS or taken in an NHS Hospital or Public Health England lab.
You can't enter it regardless of the result.
If you book a test via the app you can't get a result other than via the app either so no back up option if it stop's working.
Are any bit's of Serco Track and Trace working ?
 
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oldwheels

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Isle of Mull
As a certain J.Lydon once said, tourists are money. No economic activity, no tourism = no future. Kim Jong Sturgeon doesn't seem to care too much about that though. She will when half the voting population haven't got any paid employment because of her dictatorial and over zealous policy of trying to gold plate any rules coming from Johnson then ratchet them up a gear just to show how "seriously" she's taking it.
Tourism is just another form of prostitution and is totally volatile and unreliable. It does not replace real jobs.
I suppose if the NHS is overwhelmed again and there are many deaths you think that would be good thing to reduce the population of pensioners in particular. Funny how Johnston announces things after our First Minister. Her government is trying to improve the lot of the general population just to embarrass the Westminster government. It is terrible, they are doing it on purpose to quote rent a gob Fooks.
 
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classic33

Leg End Member
As a certain J.Lydon once said, tourists are money. No economic activity, no tourism = no future. Kim Jong Sturgeon doesn't seem to care too much about that though. She will when half the voting population haven't got any paid employment because of her dictatorial and over zealous policy of trying to gold plate any rules coming from Johnson then ratchet them up a gear just to show how "seriously" she's taking it.
Don't worry, you'll still have Sweden to go to for your "economic activities".
 

tom73

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
University of Glasgow is offering to give students isolating one months free rent. They are encouraging students to spend the money in
local restaurants and food outlets. Think we've heard something like that before :rolleyes:
 
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