Coronavirus outbreak

[Rusty Nails]

Perhaps to help us better understand your penetrative thesis you could share with us your age?

Do you disagree that people can be stupid, whether old or young?

I'm older than I was when I was much younger. Don't ask me to share my age, get your own.

It wasn't a thesis, more a bit of tabloid journalism.

 

[mjr]

Bravo to the Independent for this headline/subhead combination burn:

 

[Tanis8472]

Well that's ok then....

self-gratification artist

 

[SkipdiverJohn]

I trust all those people who were quick to condemn the older generations for endangering the country by voting for Brexit are equally condemnatory of the younger generations for endangering the country by flouting social distancing just to have a good time.

No condemnation from me. Only applause for the Brexit voters and for the younger generation out enjoying themselves. Both positive events, IMHO. 👍

 

[Rusty Nails]

No condemnation from me. Only applause for the Brexit voters and for the younger generation out enjoying themselves. Both positive events, IMHO. 👍

I expected nothing less.

My penultimate sentence stands.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

Anybody downloaded the App yet?

 

[Johnno260]

Anybody downloaded the App yet?

According to my Aunt the vaccine that's being developed will have tracking chips so just wait for that.......I wish I was joking.

 

[marinyork]

Has any country tried using a negative test "passport" idea? If so what they been using for the testing?
Many of current rapid testing options we got told to expect as the next big thing came to nothing. So which one's are still in the mix that look to have any chance of being useful?

Batch saliva tests are being worked on. The actual test itself I don't think there's that much quibble with, it's how large a group do you use and which group and is it as practical in the real world as it sounds. There could be large downsides if it's misused. Not in this country but elsewhere sewage analysis seems to be taken seriously.

The normal saliva tests are going on in southamptom and Manchester, but rumour yesterday was validation problems. There weren't enough people in southampton getting the virus to demonstrate it's 99.8% accurate and 99.8% specific and in a realistic range of people. And no data has been published.

The graph I saw said 800,000 tests by the end of November and increase into the millions in december and early 2021.

 

[PK99]

At last the media are beginning to do their job properly and explain, educate and illuminate rather than knee jerk to headline numbers and forever ask "gotcha" questions:

This from the BBC, trying to get to the meaning behind the headline numbers and examining how the ramping up of testing numbers make case number comparisons over time almost meaningless.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54064347

and this simple plot from the Mail website plotting cases and testing results

 

[tom73]

Batch saliva tests are being worked on. The actual test itself I don't think there's that much quibble with, it's how large a group do you use and which group and is it as practical in the real world as it sounds. There could be large downsides if it's misused. Not in this country but elsewhere sewage analysis seems to be taken seriously.

The normal saliva tests are going on in southamptom and Manchester, but rumour yesterday was validation problems. There weren't enough people in southampton getting the virus to demonstrate it's 99.8% accurate and 99.8% specific and in a realistic range of people. And no data has been published.

The graph I saw said 800,000 tests by the end of November and increase into the millions in december and early 2021.

That's about what I thought we'd got up to it's going to be hard to see how the levels of testing being talked about yesterday. Are going to come from and be turned around to be of any use. It's a pity sewage analysis is not being taken more seriously it's shown to be a handy tool for area virus mapping. like you say it's no point having all the different testing option if they all we end up going is using them just to hit a target.

If we do get to the point simple and quick mass testing it makes more sense to test the ones who have to be in close contact with the most risk groups. Over giving someone the all clear to go the football or the evening opera. The other big problem is no point having all this extra data if we don't get a bit more smarter at using it. I also don't see how the current contact tracing set up can deal with all the extra work for all the extra tests. After all It's not even good enough now.

If reports are true and this latest Boris idea costs 100 bn it's gong be one big mess with a bill to match.

 

[DaveReading]

It's a pity sewage analysis is not being taken more seriously it's shown to be a handy tool for area virus mapping.

If you can detect the presence of the virus in sh1t, why are we not all being sent DIY sampling kits (like those used for bowel cancer detection), so that we could return those direct to the lab and cut out the middle-man ?

Serious question.

 

[midlife]

Saliva from the back of the mouth is easier to harvest than fecal samples.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Saliva from the back of the mouth is easier to harvest than fecal samples.

Stick your arse out the car window whilst we insert the swab.

 

[tom73]

If you can detect the presence of the virus in sh1t, why are we not all being sent DIY sampling kits (like those used for bowel cancer detection), so that we could return those direct to the lab and cut out the middle-man ?

Serious question.

It's not all that practical on an individual , to be of any use in outbreak control which needs in be turned round in 2 days maximum.

 

[oldwheels]

So the BBC is to stop broadcasting Nicola Sturgeon's briefing on the covid 19 crisis just when cases are starting to rise again. She apparently is being perfectly beastly and showing up dear Boris in a bad light when he can be found.
Rent a gob Lord Fooks among others thinks all our information should either be suppressed or filtered through London because we cannot be found to be better informed than England.
Unless of course this is fake news but does not seem likely.