Coronavirus outbreak

[tom73]

Has any country tried using a negative test "passport" idea? If so what they been using for the testing?
Many of current rapid testing options we got told to expect as the next big thing came to nothing. So which one's are still in the mix that look to have any chance of being useful?

 

[tom73]

Making recording contact details a legal requirement for businesses Is a positive step. It's a bit unfair not making it a legal requirement for the public though.

 

[SkipdiverJohn]

It seems like this would need a highly competent government with a talent for clear messaging. Has anyone thought Chris Grayling should manage this task?

Failing Grayling must be one of the most incompetent politicians out there, right across the political spectrum. I would put him in the same league as the mathematical prowess of Diane Abbott.

 

[mjr]

I do think the rule of 6 is far easier to understand for the general population.
It’s a simple concept, whether anyone will abide by it is unknown.

Well, it would be a simple concept, were it not for all the situations where it doesn't apply: the Prime Minister mentioned "places of worship, gyms, restaurants and hospitality venues [...] education and work settings [...] weddings and funerals [...] and organised sport" and I assume shops will also keep their current limits (up to 90 in one local shop, I saw!) or will we be going back to 2m distancing with queuing outside the shop?

I think it's fair to say that Johnson seems incapable of clear and simple concepts.

Curiously, he mentioned "We will also restrict the opening hours of premises" but nothing about limiting the lengths of visits, which is something some countries have tried and I think found mostly popular even if not clearly effective because it means more people getting the chance to book a table and fewer people spending all evening drinking themselves silly.

And remember folks: Hancock Wastes Space.

 

[mjr]

Failing Grayling must be one of the most incompetent politicians out there, right across the political spectrum. I would put him in the same league as the mathematical prowess of Diane Abbott.

Oh don't underestimate Johnson's cabinet! Even Diane Abbot was better with numbers than Priti "300,000,34,974,000" Patel:

View: https://twitter.com/PoliReview/status/1249042857375260672


It's just as well Minister Patel has nothing to do with anything to do with Coronavirus, such as counting people across the borders and into quarantine(!)

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

This talk of moonshot reminded me that someone sent me a link to this video this morning....

 

[tom73]

A paper on health and economic effects of different social distancing interventions.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960077920304859
Counties that take an economic 1st approach still end up worse off.
"The evidence provided by the simulation model shows that there is a false dichotomy between healthcare and the economy. In the scenarios where it was tried to save the economy by not taking hard social isolation policies, consequently, the social costs ended up impacting negatively into the economy"
Also showed social distancing and mask wearing together is effective. Both on epidemiological and economical level.

 

[Beebo]

This talk of moonshot reminded me that someone sent me a link to this video this morning....

Johnson’s talking Bullshot about Moonshot.
It’s his typical modus operandi, Chuck something weird into the speech to distract everyone from the real issue.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I think we can all cancel the big family Christmas and New Year celebrations.

FTFY

 

[IaninSheffield]

On FullFact today:
"In parliament yesterday the health secretary and the shadow health secretary clashed over the performance of NHS Test and Trace in England.
Jonathan Ashworth MP claimed that only 69.4% of identified contacts are now reached and asked to self-isolate, which Matt Hancock disagreed with.
Mr Ashworth was right. The data (which was published on Thursday 3 September, that day Mr Hancock referred to) shows that 69.4% of identified contacts of people who had tested positive for Covid-19 were reached by the service between 20 August and 26 August."

For newspapers “A significant inaccuracy, misleading statement or distortion must be corrected, promptly and with due prominence and – where appropriate – an apology published.” ... sometimes!
Shouldn't our elected members be held to a higher level of accountability?

 

[Johnno260]

People won’t abide by the rule of 6 if they can’t abide by the rules already in place.

Every time I hear we need to trust in common sense it makes me laugh now.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I trust all those people who were quick to condemn the older generations for endangering the country by voting for Brexit are equally condemnatory of the younger generations for endangering the country by flouting social distancing just to have a good time.

People can be stupid, whether old or young. No age group can ever take the high ground.

 

[Adam4868]

I trust all those people who were quick to condemn the older generations for endangering the country by voting for Brexit are equally condemnatory of the younger generations for endangering the country by flouting social distancing just to have a good time.

People can be stupid, whether old or young. No age group can ever take the high ground.

Don't panic about your nest egg,the younger generation will be paying for covid one way or another for a long time...

 

[Rusty Nails]

Don't panic about your nest egg,the younger generation will be paying for covid one way or another for a long time...

My nest egg has hatched and flown away.

 

[qigong chimp]

People can be stupid, whether old or young.

Perhaps to help us better understand your penetrative thesis you could share with us your age?