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CanucksTraveller
Macho Business Donkey Wrestler
- Location
- Hertfordshire
It applies to social gatherings, which schools aren't. I think it's pretty important that kids go to school, especially given that they haven't been in 6 months, but it's not important for 15 or 30 people to have a house party, for example.
It seems pretty logical to me.
I'm more optimistic. This sort of arrangement has been going on for the last month or so with 12s, 18s, 30s in pubs. It'll now be easier to enforce.
The groups of way bigger than six thing has gone on in parks since late May/early June and that's now easier to enforce if the police deem it worth it.
DCLane
Found in the Yorkshire hills ...
- Location
- Dewsbury, West Yorkshire
Unless it's enforced then no amount of 'guidelines' will make a bit of difference.
Near me it's just ignored. And will continue to be ignored.
Near me it's just ignored. And will continue to be ignored.
CanucksTraveller
Macho Business Donkey Wrestler
- Location
- Hertfordshire
Well no, Adam's whole post falls down on sentence one doesn't it. It's not remotely grey. If ten people plan to go to the pub together, and plan to circumvent things, then that's ten dickheads who haven't learned anything in the last 6 months.
If we all agree to you know, just be sensible and follow guidance, then there's no issue. When we all try and be the exception, when we all try to find a way around it, when we insist that we're clever, and the guidance is wah, wah, too hard to follow, and we do our own thing, that's when we have an issue. That's not the government's fault, that's the easy blame game. It's the people who must always be contrary and niggly that are the issue. Every day I go shopping I'm having people reach across me within inches, I see people not wearing masks because they found a way around it. Come on, 1.5 metres at least, it's not hard.
Forks sake, this virus control thing isn't difficult, but some people would over complicate a game of snap if they had a say.
Adam4868
Legendary Member
I know what you mean,but I'm not as optimistic for round my way.Looking like it's going to be a busy weekend with everyone on the piss !
classic33
Leg End Member
Which from talking to shop staff, is why some of them aren't wearing them. Especially if they are sat the plastic screen on the till. They look to neither side, just straight ahead.
There's been complaints from some people that they can't see what is being said. And staff are caught in the middle of it.
Adam4868
Legendary Member
But as we've seen, to a lot of people being sensible is over.Why give us five days ? Do it tonight, immediately ?
classic33
Leg End Member
If that is the case, the new sixth form college that opened this week, is in trouble. Teacher and twenty plus pupils in a room that measures 20 foot by 30 foot, no face coverings of any sort, and no distance between many of them. Text books are being shared.
I agree some just look for ways. With this we won't know what the detail is until the full list of what's allowed come's out tomorrow.
Just stick to no more than 6 expect school ect and when at work. The more if's and but's you add the more the massage is lost.
In the end once the government ministers get talking about it that's really going mess it up.
Just stick to no more than 6 expect school ect and when at work. The more if's and but's you add the more the massage is lost.
In the end once the government ministers get talking about it that's really going mess it up.
I agree.
And find it sad, but eminently predictable, that this thread which started out as a useful and informative source of Covid info and views has, like so many threads here and elsewhere, become predominantly a silo where a small group of folks who agree with each other exchange cynical self affirmatory messages of agreement and take an overtly cynical view of any and everything the government does. C'est la vie. C'est la cycle chat.
I used to come here for information and ideas, now I pop in occasionally when I'm bored. And am always disappointed.
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classic33
Leg End Member
Given how often it's been mentioned, maybe it's time to do what they did during 1918-1920.
Wonder how people would react if police responded in similar fashion over the non wearing of face masks?
"Now as then, public health interventions are the first line of defense against an epidemic in the absence of a vaccine. These measures include closing schools, shops, and restaurants; placing restrictions on transportation; mandating social distancing, and banning public gatherings.
Of course, getting citizens to comply with such orders is another story: In 1918, a San Francisco health officer shot three people when one refused to wear a mandatory face mask. In Arizona, police handed out $10 fines for those caught without the protective gear."
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...-curve-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus/
Wonder how people would react if police responded in similar fashion over the non wearing of face masks?
"Now as then, public health interventions are the first line of defense against an epidemic in the absence of a vaccine. These measures include closing schools, shops, and restaurants; placing restrictions on transportation; mandating social distancing, and banning public gatherings.
Of course, getting citizens to comply with such orders is another story: In 1918, a San Francisco health officer shot three people when one refused to wear a mandatory face mask. In Arizona, police handed out $10 fines for those caught without the protective gear."
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...-curve-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus/
Sounds like tea time for toddlers. Put a bib on, wash your hands and make space for tea.
SkipdiverJohn
Deplorable Brexiteer
- Location
- London
If you want testing to work, it has to be done very locally, so that means the tester going to the patient or the test location being within walking distance. It's no good giving out appointments at test locations miles away from where somewhere lives. Not everyone has a car, or can afford to use a tank of petrol getting there, or even has the time.
I know several people who are not going to get tested or isolate under any circumstances apart from if they get the virus and it makes them too unwell to physically be able to go about their normal routines. Some of these people get paid day rate in their jobs. If they don't go to work, they don't earn any money. They aren't going to take a whole day out travelling a hundred miles to a test centre and they aren't going to isolate and lose income unless they have got cast iron proof they are carrying the virus.
Expecting large numbers of people to isolate "just in case" is a very inefficient and economically disruptive method. Most of those being contacted probably haven't got the virus anyway, so the blunderbus approach merely stops healthy non-infected people from earning a living and so discourages people from giving their details. If you want isolation to work, it has to be targeted at those who have actually been tested and proved to be an infection risk, not expecting 50 people to lose two weeks wages just because one or two of them might have the virus - but the authorities can't be bothered to make the effort to find out which ones actually have it and which ones don't.
classic33
Leg End Member
You're at odds with yourself on isolating. It's okay if others, in the high risk groups have to do so. They apparently don't work, spend anything or have bills to pay. Some of us in that group are in through no fault of our own.
But, if you, who aren't currently in the high risk group have to isolate it's wrong. You being "economically active", in your eyes, being more important than those who are just as active working from home and shopping from home.
I've tried to find the piece about the man who was fined £500 & 14 days inside for knowingly carrying/transmitting a communicable disease, but failed. If it's been done once, expect similar to happen again. Maybe, when a person has been hit hard enough in the pocket, they'll realise they were wrong.
