Coronavirus outbreak

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[tom73]

Local lock downs are here to stay for some time it's not good enough to just say x is lockdown then day after day drip feeding in or by the way we are adding this to list of don't do's. They are messy enough without extra mud on top.
If the meeting up guidelines are under review why not review the whole thing? If they change it will end up as just a delete this and paste in that. Which will lead to even more confusion and conflicting information. All the guidelines need a reboot along with the messaging.
They are a total mess anyway and clearly don't work so most would welcome a fresh simple , clear set of rules. With clear set of enforcements to match.
It's way past the time of debating if we need a simple set of levels linked to set's of rules. It work's in New Zealand they say x is going into lockdown level y and people know what it means but more to point they know what to do and what they get for breaking them. Nothing to stop one being drown up for business , school , uni, ect too that clearly lays out what extra requirements each level means for them.
We still need guidelines with real detail to back them up but one's that are black and white not "it's recommended" But for most day to day life the simple stuff will be fine.

The governments pick and mix approach which mostly has been to pick the nice ones and leave the bad one behind. Even if they are the right thing to. Is not going to keep us out the brown stuff for long come winter. What ever they do they betting do pretty bloody quick. Not just for the public health but for the economy.

 

[SkipdiverJohn]

We have people who seem to think that leaving false contact details is fun. Would they still think it was fun if they were to have been in close contact with someone who was later hospitalized with covid-19. False details given meant they couldn't be contacted.

Anyone giving dodgy details obviously doesn't want to be contacted. There could be lots of reasons why, from being wanted by the police to having an extra-marital affair and have told their OH they are somewhere else, not in the pub/restaurant with their bit on the side. You have to remember all the irregular and deceitful behaviours that go on haven't been virtuously put on hold because of the virus. People who are doing things they shouldn't, seeing people they shouldn't be seeing, or frequenting venues on the sly, are not going to give out their details in case a track & trace response results in them being caught out.
If I've been in contact with someone who ends up in hospital with the virus, one of three things is going to happen.
1) I catch it and it makes me ill, in which case I don't need tracing and telling by anyone else about it, because I'll know all about it pretty soon anyway!
2) I don't catch it at all.
3) I catch it but it doesn't make me feel ill.

 

[tom73]

Long covid now officially exists in the UK policy. Long way to go on the substance but it's now no way of getting away from it.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...lth-effects/covid-19-long-term-health-effects

 

[roubaixtuesday]

1) I catch it and it makes me ill, in which case I don't need tracing and telling by anyone else about it, because I'll know all about it pretty soon anyway!
2) I don't catch it at all.
3) I catch it but it doesn't make me feel ill.

1. Yes you do, because you will be infectious before you are symptomatic
3. And you will be infectious nonetheless

 

[SkipdiverJohn]

The fundamental problem with the tracing system is they are just trying to contact people by phone and tell them to isolate because they just *might* have caught the virus, rather than saying "we want to pop over and give you a virus test to see if you are positive or not".
Expecting a whole venue full of punters to isolate just in case because one person contracted the virus is absurd. People have bills to pay and livings to earn. If they want public buy-in on this system it has to be on the basis you only get asked to isolate if you actually test positive or develop virus symptoms.

 

[Rusty Nails]

1. Yes you do, because you will be infectious before you are symptomatic
3. And you will be infectious nonetheless

But that's OK. It will just be someone else's problem.

 

[classic33]

The fundamental problem with the tracing system is they are just trying to contact people by phone and tell them to isolate because they just *might* have caught the virus, rather than saying "we want to pop over and give you a virus test to see if you are positive or not".
Expecting a whole venue full of punters to isolate just in case because one person contracted the virus is absurd. People have bills to pay and livings to earn. If they want public buy-in on this system it has to be on the basis you only get asked to isolate if you actually test positive or develop virus symptoms.

Unless you get tested, you'll have no way of knowing though.

They don't come to you either, you go to them(testing station). You might even be booked in for the test at a particular testing station.
These stations tend to be out in the open, you do the test on yourself. Everything gets double bagged, before being sent off.

As for self isolating, you were all for it when it was those in the high risk groups. Many of us had a normal life, or as normal as the condition(s) allowed. Some of us even worked, what with bills to pay and what not.

 

[Salty seadog]

Wear a farking mask
Wash your farking hands
Keep your farking distance

Catchy.

Work on your spelling dude. I mean what even is farking?

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

Work on your spelling dude. I mean what even is farking?

I don't know, it's been so long...

 

[roadrash]

I see it all the time in wigan...im alright jack , i will do whatever i want, it really boils my piss , if your actions only affected you then fair enough but they dont .

i really dont understand this wear a mask in the shop , but the people working in the shop doesnt need one, why not , are we as customers supposed to magically believe they could not possibly be infected, to hi-light this point , suppose i work in a shop, i dont need to wear a mask, if i nip into the shop next door i need to wear one, does the virus know if i am a customer or worker, to be honest all the guidlines or rules are a total mess, i will continue to wear a mask outside of my house and limit contact with others not from my household, the guidlines are confusing bolox ,
message to boris....dont advise/ask people to do something , it just doesnt work.

 

[oldwheels]

Unless you get tested, you'll have no way of knowing though.

They don't come to you either, you go to them(testing station). You might even be booked in for the test at a particular testing station.
These stations tend to be out in the open, you do the test on yourself. Everything gets double bagged, before being sent off.

As for self isolating, you were all for it when it was those in the high risk groups. Many of us had a normal life, or as normal as the condition(s) allowed. Some of us even worked, what with bills to pay and what not.

The testing system seems to be a bit of a mess. Somebody near Oban told to go to Fort William tho' they got a test eventually in Oban no problem. Some in southern England being told to go to Inverness and in some cases Northern Ireland. The computer system just seems to pick a testing station at random with no attention to geography.

 

[DCLane]

A friend's currently having to quarantine in Northern Ireland and has been allocated a test ... in Llandudno

 

[Adam4868]

After me talking about it today,just reading the local rag tonight and three bars and two resteraunts close to me are closing due to covid.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

The fundamental problem with the tracing system is they are just trying to contact people by phone and tell them to isolate because they just *might* have caught the virus, rather than saying "we want to pop over and give you a virus test to see if you are positive or not".
Expecting a whole venue full of punters to isolate just in case because one person contracted the virus is absurd. People have bills to pay and livings to earn. If they want public buy-in on this system it has to be on the basis you only get asked to isolate if you actually test positive or develop virus symptoms.

[sigh]

The virus takes time - variable from case to case - to incubate.

So testing does not help. Only isolation.