Coronavirus outbreak

[Flick of the Elbow]

Glad to hear that the Scottish Govt is maintaining their position that people should be working from home whenever possible.

 

[mjr]

On a clubrun you are riding for many minutes at a time alongside a rider who is only an arm’s length away, effectively less if they are leaning in to hear a conversation. And worse, they are often having to speak loudly or even shout to be heard. And what happens to all the virus particles they are potentially spraying out ? If they don’t land on the rider next to them it will be the rider immediately behind that will ride into them.

My arm is almost a metre long anyway! Does anyone lean in for 15 minutes (and I often forget that what tight formation riders tend to wear often impedes their hearing with extra wind noise) and do many clubruns not rotate at all? Good points loud speaking and spraying the rider behind, but won't people modify their behaviour a bit anyway and has any outbreak anywhere been linked to a clubrun or similar yet? gov.scot may be estimating that the benefits are worth the risk.

 

[matticus]

My take on the group-riding; how often do you notice the smell of sweat in a group? vs How often when queueing for coffee?

It's not risk-free; but I don't feel I'm being sprayed in the mouth with virions.

 

[marinyork]

Club runs are not nightclubs in Sardinia.

 

[midlife]

Well the procedure from the hospital appears to be a negative test means back to work.

Just out of curiosity I had a look at what happens here if Occupational Health decide you have had a risk of exposure to COVID. It's Occupational Health that decides on your level of exposure / risk, not a line manager. That risk is assessed from exposure at work or information from Track and Trace.

If staff are told by occupational health they are a high risk contact they must self isolate for 14 days. There is no exception to this rule. Even if the staff member has a covid test back as negative the 14 day isolation rule must be adhered to. Occupational Health will arrange a test prior to the staff member returning to work.

Just curious......

 

[tom73]

Just out of curiosity I had a look at what happens here if Occupational Health decide you have had a risk of exposure to COVID. It's Occupational Health that decides on your level of exposure / risk, not a line manager. That risk is assessed from exposure at work or information from Track and Trace.

If staff are told by occupational health they are a high risk contact they must self isolate for 14 days. There is no exception to this rule. Even if the staff member has a covid test back as negative the 14 day isolation rule must be adhered to. Occupational Health will arrange a test prior to the staff member returning to work.

Just curious......

Oh just think about the poor soul who has to tell theatre sister "we believe a member of staff contracted Covid working in your theatre area"
Wonder if they will draw lot's ?

 

[Flick of the Elbow]

gov.scot may be estimating that the benefits are worth the risk.

I bet the Scottish govt know nothing about clubruns. The regulations for each phase are generic, covering any structured club activity. It appears to be Scottish Cycling that are interpreting them into what they think they mean for cycling clubs.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

Just messaged her. Apparently the entire shift with the infected nurse ran for another day after she had tested positive. My sister has been told it's safe for her to return as she was only in direct contact with the other nurse for an hour.

In other news, they have increasing numbers of Covid patients and they've had to re-open ICU for two Covid patients

 

[kingrollo]

Just messaged her. Apparently the entire shift with the infected nurse ran for another day after she had tested positive. My sister has been told it's safe for her to return as she was only in direct contact with the other nurse for an hour.

In other news, they have increasing numbers of Covid patients and they've had to re-open ICU for two Covid patients

A certain poster should be along in just a moment.

 

[mjr]

I bet the Scottish govt know nothing about clubruns. The regulations for each phase are generic, covering any structured club activity. It appears to be Scottish Cycling that are interpreting them into what they think they mean for cycling clubs.

I don't really know where Scottish Cycling fit into the picture. Do Scottish Cycling have government-agency-appointed board members like British Cycling has?

 

[PK99]

Not completely mad. It's outdoors and it's difficult to get very close for long on a bike.

Eh?

A tight club chain gang will be "bars touching" apart sideways and 30cm wheel gap.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

On a clubrun you are riding for many minutes at a time alongside a rider who is only an arm’s length away, effectively less if they are leaning in to hear a conversation. And worse, they are often having to speak loudly or even shout to be heard. And what happens to all the virus particles they are potentially spraying out ? If they don’t land on the rider next to them it will be the rider immediately behind that will ride into them.

What? How the hell can people have a conversation over the wheezing, gasping, groaning, clicking knees and cracking hips?

Or is that just me?

 

[mjr]

A tight club chain gang will be "bars touching" apart sideways and 30cm wheel gap.

In their dreams!

But that mythical chain gang would also be rotating through and off, so not close to any rider for long at a time.

Still waiting to read about any chaingang outbreaks.

 

[classic33]

My arm is almost a metre long anyway! Does anyone lean in for 15 minutes (and I often forget that what tight formation riders tend to wear often impedes their hearing with extra wind noise) and do many clubruns not rotate at all? Good points loud speaking and spraying the rider behind, but won't people modify their behaviour a bit anyway and has any outbreak anywhere been linked to a clubrun or similar yet? gov.scot may be estimating that the benefits are worth the risk.

That would place your hands below knee level whilst stood up straight.

Simple test for you.
Stand on one side of an internal door* with one arm on the other side. If your claim is true, metre long arms, your wrist should be past the far side of the door.

*Standard internal doors are approximately 2'6" wide. But even with 3' doors, you should easily get your fingers round the far edge.

 

[tom73]

Lancet article pointing out with no clear definition for just what "recovery" from Covid is we can't properly assess morbidity. Leading to surveillance underestimating true Covid burden.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31823-7/fulltext