Coronavirus outbreak

[tom73]

This seems bonkers whilst cases are rising. I'd be all in favour if we were on top of it.

Have these people ever been to a sports event? Are they expecting thousands of fans to sit quietly apart, stone cold sober and masked up??

Having been in charge of covering sporting events large and small it won't happen.
Have they thought about the rest of what go's into event's ? Just going on the racers even in the cheep seats a good few get merry and shipped out. Which not just Hospitals can do without even now.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

Are they renting at the previous rates PSF though, or are the landlords drumming up business by being less greedy and renting at a price that makes doing business viable for the tenant?

No, no reduced annual rental rates. No need as demand is high. Current ROI for the landlord is in the 8-12% range as it has been for ages. As an aside I think these rates a a veritable mickey-take but that's the nature of the sector. Usual negotiations around break clauses, reduced rent for the first few months, self repairing and insuring lease terms etc.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

It depends if you think wrecking the economy and suffering mass unemployment for years to come is a price worth paying to make the virus infection stats look good.
Personally, I couldn't give a shoot how high the infection numbers get so long as they don't reach the point where they overwhelm the NHS capacity to deal with the most serious cases. The NHS didn't collapse when we were running at an official 5,000 a day infection count, and that was before the Nightingale field hospital contingency pretty much doubled intensive care capacity. So in reality, we in the UK could probably manage a 10,000 virus cases a day scenario without anything too disastrous resulting. All the time we are bumping along at around 1,000 cases a day we are just cruising.

Looks like the NHS are coping well in terms of bed usage for Covid patients which is currently operating way inside capacity.

The quarterly NHS England update that I linked to a week or so back shows 599 beds (out of just under 100000 in total) are in use by Covid patients including 56 patients on mechanical ventilators. This information is included in the link below:

Current death rate data from NHS England (see link and sub-links below) up to 26 Aug is 151 deaths where Covid test proved positive and 49 where there was no positive test but Covid was mentioned on the death certificate.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

Current data in graphic form:

 

[VelvetUnderpants]

Could anyone please advise if it is at all possible to claim back money on a prebooked flight which now has to be cancelled due to the destination coming under the list of quarantined countries.

My partner was planning to fly to the Czech Republic on the 6th September to see her elderly mother who she has not seen since February, at the time of the booking it was fine to go but as of 04.00 on Saturday 29th if she was to go she will have to self isolate for 14 days on return. It is unlikely the NHS will give her that extra time off, so sadly it looks like she will have to cancel her flight.

Can she claim back the cost of her flight and train tickets as the destination country was ok to travel to at the time of booking, if so would she claim the refund back from ryanair or her insurance or does she have to accept she has lost her money.

 

[Julia9054]

Could anyone please advise if it is at all possible to claim back money on a prebooked flight which now has to be cancelled due to the destination coming under the list of quarantined countries.

My partner was planning to fly to the Czech Republic on the 6th September to see her elderly mother who she has not seen since February, at the time of the booking it was fine to go but as of 04.00 on Saturday 29th if she was to go she will have to self isolate for 14 days on return. It is unlikely the NHS will give her that extra time off, so sadly it looks like she will have to cancel her flight.

Can she claim back the cost of her flight and train tickets as the destination country was ok to travel to at the time of booking, if so would she claim the refund back from ryanair or her insurance or does she have to accept she has lost her money.

From my experience of travel insurance, you have to prove that you have tried to get the money back from the providers first. That would depend on the type of ticket purchased as to whether they are refundable of not. I had a bunch of train tickets for a rail trip across Europe booked - turned out some were refundable and some not. I hadn’t paid any attention when booking as I booked back in February (innocent times!). Low cost airlines will not usually refund unless they cancel the flight.
The ability to claim on travel insurance will depend on when the insurance was taken out and when the flights etc were booked. I expect most policies will have a “no coronavirus reasons” clause if things were booked or the policy was purchased after the pandemic was known about, unfortunately.

 

[mjr]

Could anyone please advise if it is at all possible to claim back money on a prebooked flight which now has to be cancelled due to the destination coming under the list of quarantined countries.

The insurer can advise, but in general, you can only claim for things booked before mid-April when the WHO declared it a pandemic. After that, most insurers say you accepted the known risk. More at https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/n...-help-and-your-rights/#reinstatedrestrictions

 

[mjr]

It depends if you think wrecking the economy and suffering mass unemployment for years to come is a price worth paying to make the virus infection stats look good.

But most of the dying business had preexisting underlying conditions so they're not worth saving, are they?

 

[VelvetUnderpants]

The insurer can advise, but in general, you can only claim for things booked before mid-April when the WHO declared it a pandemic. After that, most insurers say you accepted the known risk. More at https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/n...-help-and-your-rights/#reinstatedrestrictions

I thought that may be the case. I will give the insurer a ring later today.

 

[VelvetUnderpants]

From my experience of travel insurance, you have to prove that you have tried to get the money back from the providers first. That would depend on the type of ticket purchased as to whether they are refundable of not. I had a bunch of train tickets for a rail trip across Europe booked - turned out some were refundable and some not. I hadn’t paid any attention when booking as I booked back in February (innocent times!). Low cost airlines will not usually refund unless they cancel the flight.
The ability to claim on travel insurance will depend on when the insurance was taken out and when the flights etc were booked. I expect most policies will have a “no coronavirus reasons” clause if things were booked or the policy was purchased after the pandemic was known about, unfortunately.

Her insurance was taken out last year, I dont hold out much hope, but I will give her insurers a ring just incase.

 

[tom73]

Masks in schools has become a school lesson in New Zealand in turn helping to promote public health.
God forbid we involve students in all of this.
https://blogs.otago.ac.nz/pubhealth...mote-pandemic-protection-in-the-nz-community/

 

[tom73]

Her insurance was taken out last year, I dont hold out much hope, but I will give her insurers a ring just incase.

Pre covid then which look to have better outcomes. If the ticket was booked pre covid then again that may help.
As T and C's can't be changed retrospectively the main problem is it's her choice not to travel and not the FCO saying she can't.

 

[SkipdiverJohn]

But most of the dying business had preexisting underlying conditions so they're not worth saving, are they?

A high proportion of the population with chronic underlying medical conditions only have those conditions because of self-inflicted lifestyle choices. So no, I don't think it's worth destroying the economy and putting half the population out of work, just to save those who are only susceptible primarily as a result of a lifetime of abusing their own bodies through excessive food & drink consumption, smoking, or total lack of physical activity.
If I make myself vulnerable to severe illness because of my lifestyle, that's my problem, not everyone else's.

 

[fossyant]

A high proportion of the population with chronic underlying medical conditions only have those conditions because of self-inflicted lifestyle choices. So no, I don't think it's worth destroying the economy and putting half the population out of work, just to save those who are only susceptible primarily as a result of a lifetime of abusing their own bodies through excessive food & drink consumption, smoking, or total lack of physical activity.
If I make myself vulnerable to severe illness because of my lifestyle, that's my problem, not everyone else's.

Fark me, what an attitude to others. Yes MIL is in a high risk group, yes mainly life style, but I'd personally not want anyone dead. It's a very nasty death. There is also the long term conditions otherwise healthy folk get from this. I have lots of colleagues who are in at risk groups - around 30%. My employer isn't requiring them to come into work, where they can work from home - they are juggling things around.

 

[SkipdiverJohn]

I have every sympathy with those who have genetic/inherited medical conditions that make catching any sort of nasty bug a risky happening. They didn't make a wrong choice, they were unlucky.
However, I have zero sympathy for those who have just sat on their fat arses getting ever fatter for decades, smoked like a chimney and fecked up their lungs, infected themselves with nasties via drug abuse or done their best to pickle their livers. I've got no time for the nanny state health fascists who try to tell everyone what to do either. I'm a libertarian, I believe we have the absolute right to do dumb things if we so choose, but we also have to accept the consequences of making dumb choices personally.

 

[fossyant]

I have every sympathy with those who have genetic/inherited medical conditions that make catching any sort of nasty bug a risky happening. They didn't make a wrong choice, they were unlucky.
However, I have zero sympathy for those who have just sat on their fat arses getting ever fatter for decades, smoked like a chimney and fecked up their lungs, infected themselves with nasties via drug abuse or done their best to pickle their livers. I've got no time for the nanny state health fascists who try to tell everyone what to do either. I'm a libertarian, I believe we have the absolute right to do dumb things if we so choose, but we also have to accept the consequences of making dumb choices personally.

I just hope you haven't anyone you care for that is at risk because of lifestyle choices and they die because they catch Covid. Unfortunately, it's not always these folk that will suffer, it's those with genetic conditions - how can you separate some of those. Also, obesity can and is caused by mental health problems, not just sitting there.

It's a 'shite' attitude to take towards others. Because of 'people' not following therules, and pleasing themselves, we've got additional conditions in Gtr Manchester - where I live is the lowest infection rate, but we are locked down because of this 'libertarian' attitude some folk have - our IL's mental health is suffering badly as we can't even stand in the car prk of her nursing home and talk through a glass window. If she catches this, she will die - it's crap. Why sentence folk to death.