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silva

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_reproduction_number
Or, in a population "available" to the virus, a population with a certain social behaviour, that "k" will initially be equal to 2.5 of 3 (= R0 of CoVid-19), so we get exponential divergation.

The more people get infected, sick, immune or die, the less the POTENTIAL infected people also become sick. If a fraction X of people become immune, then, of that potential-infected 2.5 or 3 that would be infected, only 1-X amount "available" to become sick.
So k becomes R0 * (1 - X)

When does the epidemy stop: if k becomes 1. At first, k = R0, and when more and more first become sick to then die or become immune, k drops because X rises.
So not everybody has to become sick. It suffices that k becomes 1.

That's when R0 * (1 - X) = 1, or put the other way: when X equals 1 - 1/R0
So as long as not 60% (R0 of CoVid-19 is estimated as 2.5-3%) of the population became immune, you cannot remove your restrictions.

It's the same as in a nuclear power reactor, where they stopped the fission with a confinement borium rod. You can't remove the bar without restarting the fission. Unless the very last neutron disappeared, which is impossible, and there are also neutrons from cosmic origin. You can never remove the confinement bar.

So there is only one exception case: if the very last covid-19 patient in the entire world died or became immune. And much earlier than then, another virus family/type can have popped up, that the human immune system again doesn't recognize, starting over the entire story.

De Spanish flu killed 50 - 100 miljoen people in 2 or 3 months in 1918, to then disappear nearly completely.
Came back in 1919, to make sick the people that "protected" themselves in 1918. In the end, the estimation was a 25-70% of worlds population had have gotten it. They mournt their deaths, they stopped shedding tears to then continu life.

What governments now did / do in 2020, is purposely halting peoples life, by forced upon suicidal restrictions.
 
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The pandemic has now, after deaths have dwindled and spikes didn't arrive, and for reasons we don't yet know, admissions and deaths dramatically falling, is now a casedemic where we are cherry picking "likely" demographic areas, providing easy cases via a very flawed system from asymtomatic people who are not and unlikely to be poorly, proven in the Leicester cases.

I believe we've overeacted and the damage is going to be worse than the virus, much worse. I don't agree with anti-vaxxers, Bill Gates crackpots, virus deniers or plandemic believers but I am not virus fixated either. It's clear, on here and elsewhere, that opinions are largely politically motivated and again, I am stuck in the middle. We have a growing cancer ticking timebomb of delayed and cancelled treatments along with another timebomb of people who don't yet know that they have cancer, that's just cancer. At some point we will find that you cannot just "switch" business back on, scaring the customer base witless and introducing financial insecurity into millions is unlikely to result in spending. Oh, and pubs are open yet schools still shut.

I'll leave it again and ignore the thread and go back to following Doctors, Oncologists, Biophysists and the like on Twitter, I can't help it, I naturally gravitate towards positive reading.^_^ Let's hope for the best for everybody. I leave a positive snippet from an ICU Doctor worth following. :hello:

Dr. Ron Daniels.
I think we’ve got a BIT better at decision-making in people with COVID. Effect of Dex and antivirals likely there but small. Immunity seriously unknown. But something is happening to diminish the admissions and deaths impact of SARS-CoV-2.

Why do you think cases and deaths have fallen ? (Hint: lockdown and social distancing maybe)

Do you think cases and deaths will increase as people spend more time inside as the weather turns cooler ?

Even the Dr you quote - doesn't know why deaths are falling.

Can't possibly see how it's polictal - has the main opposition party not broadly supported the govt ? - I think most people on this thread just think you are wrong.
 
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silva

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Because even pre covid. Hospitals struggled with admissions etc due to flu from mid Oct until mid march.
It's known as winter pressures in the trade.
It's known as virus that survives shorter due to UV light and a few other specific reasons (alike humidity).
City may be a less pronounced case, for the obvious reason.
Virus spreading has a strong correlation with temperature.
It could well be that the summer weather brought the infections down, overclassing governments 1st lockdown that rather helped the virus spreading than blocking it (masses people hampstering, forced shopping cart usage by professional security guards that the first week didn't even disinfected the carts. Here in BE the peak arrived alike 3-4 weeks later, with most of the exponential part of the curve laying inside that period. Go figure.
 
It's known as virus that survives shorter due to UV light and a few other specific reasons (alike humidity).
City may be a less pronounced case, for the obvious reason.
Virus spreading has a strong correlation with temperature.
It could well be that the summer weather brought the infections down, overclassing governments 1st lockdown that rather helped the virus spreading than blocking it (masses people hampstering, forced shopping cart usage by professional security guards that the first week didn't even disinfected the carts. Here in BE the peak arrived alike 3-4 weeks later, with most of the exponential part of the curve laying inside that period. Go figure.
Was it ever proven that the virus survives detoriates in warmer conditions. I know it was a longstanding theory - but wasn't aware it was backed by any hard evidence.
 

roubaixtuesday

self serving virtue signaller
Was it ever proven that the virus survives detoriates in warmer conditions. I know it was a longstanding theory - but wasn't aware it was backed by any hard evidence.

I helpfully linked a paper above:

"Our findings suggest that without effective control measures, strong outbreaks are likely in more humid climates and summer weather will not substantially limit pandemic growth."
 

tom73

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Being reported Hancock is set to axe "failing'' PHE within days and move it's functions to Test and Trace.
Of all the things you do in the middle of a public health emergency do yet another reorganisation of bit's of the NHS.
If PHE is failing Matt the last time I looked so is Test and Trace.
Can't help think it would have saved a lot of work by just giving PHE the money and capacity to Test and Trace in the first place.

The bottom line here is NHS test and trace is Serco test and trace so NHS PHE overnight is privatised. Funny enough Dido's husband a Tory MP advisers the 1828 Tory think tank which has called for PHE to go and a US type of health care. So take as a given Dido set to be running the show ?
 
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roubaixtuesday

self serving virtue signaller
Dido set to be running the show ?

The Baroness Harding of Winscombe?

Friend of David Cameron at Oxford?

Current head of the disastrously poor centralised test n trace system?

Jockey club executive who ensured Cheltenham went ahead in the teeth of a pandemic?

Spouse of Conservative MP John Penrose?

Perfect candidate for the job. Those suggestion cronyism and corruption should damn well stop talking the country down.
 
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