I got the figures from the ONS, like the NHS stats, they are there and useful, I am not encouraging anybody to do anything dangerous.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...glandandwalesprovisional/weekending31july2020
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I got the figures from the ONS, like the NHS stats, they are there and useful, I am not encouraging anybody to do anything dangerous.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...glandandwalesprovisional/weekending31july2020
A tsunami of Spanish cases whilst their death rate simultaneously decreases. I saw graph yesterday, I'll see if I can find it.
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
1. I suspect this is inaccurate. You later state ONS as your source. Presumably this? https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...glandandwalesprovisional/weekending31july2020
If yes, please note that "influenza+pneumonia" is not "influenza". If no, I'd be interested in your source
2. It's irrelevant. The point with COVID is not current deaths, but potential to accelerate. As we've already demonstrated, without containment measures, we will very rapidly get to tend of thousands of deaths. The spread roughly doubles every 3 days, unconstrained.
Yes and granted I should have included "pneumonia", however many seasonal flu victims are finally taken out by that. This is summer flu+p by the way, that has been killing more than Covid 19 for 2 months now, it is relevant as it gives some perspective.
The Spain graph.
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
The perspective is that the huge effort to control the virus has worked, and we'll be right back where we started very rapidly if we drop that effort.
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
What do you infer from this graph, and why?
DCLane
Found in the Yorkshire hills ...
- Location
- Dewsbury, West Yorkshire
The difference is not just the infection/death rates but also how many are and will suffer from long-term health issues as a result,, something you have less of from Flu. Mrs DCLane's dealng with these complications in her patients and a high percentage are expected to have these for life.
kingrollo
Guru
I'd let it lie - he has said from day 1 that covid is overhyped. If that last 5 months haven't convinced him otherwise - I'm not really sure what will.
Rocky
Hello decadence
And just before someone tries to hold up Sweden as the way to deal with Covid
21 Swedish experts denounced “herd” policy: “The strategy has led to death, grief, & suffering—no indications that the Swedish economy has fared better. We have set an example for world on how not to deal with a deadly infectious disease.”
https://fortune.com/2020/07/27/herd-immunity-coronavirus-covid-sweden/
21 Swedish experts denounced “herd” policy: “The strategy has led to death, grief, & suffering—no indications that the Swedish economy has fared better. We have set an example for world on how not to deal with a deadly infectious disease.”
https://fortune.com/2020/07/27/herd-immunity-coronavirus-covid-sweden/
One thing is clear from the stats even with lockdown we never pushed hard enough. Sure we slowed Covid down and bashed it about. But never really rammed it home now we are seeing the effect. Cases now look to be down but yet again they are just levelling off. All we ever look to do is see cases go up and down only to level off. Ok some can say so are other counties some are even worse then us.
That is true even New Zealand with 102 days all clear has seen new cases. The difference is they found 4 then locked down the area. Went in hard tracking and tracing leading to 14 new cases. 13 traced from the original 4. That‘s a track and trace response we can even now only dream of. That’s the sort of response that Covid only understands. That’s how you deal with infectious disease you hit it as hard as you can.
We never did because the government messed up and still is. But helped along the way by people just looked at how to get to round the rules and ones who never tried to understand any of this and just treated it as total joke.
That is true even New Zealand with 102 days all clear has seen new cases. The difference is they found 4 then locked down the area. Went in hard tracking and tracing leading to 14 new cases. 13 traced from the original 4. That‘s a track and trace response we can even now only dream of. That’s the sort of response that Covid only understands. That’s how you deal with infectious disease you hit it as hard as you can.
We never did because the government messed up and still is. But helped along the way by people just looked at how to get to round the rules and ones who never tried to understand any of this and just treated it as total joke.
randynewmanscat
Veteran
- Location
- Vienne, Poitou-Chrentes
You got any cash left to celebrate your 69th?
I blew most of mine on alcohol, hand cleaning alcohol.
srw
It's a bit more complicated than that...
This?
It's an essential watch. The whole thing is sobering, the last scene especially so.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episo...~m000ljnb~P_SurvivingTheVirus_MyBrotherAndMe]
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...tch&utm_medium=email&utm_source=zh_newsletter
This sums up my outlook, I was worried about the reaction and the subsequent consequences.
Pandemics always come with large economic and social costs, for reasons of altruism as well as of self-interest. The only way to contain the spread of a deadly, contagious disease, in the absence of a cure or vaccine, is to social distance; fear and panic inevitably kick in, as the public desperately seeks to avoid catching the virus. A “voluntary” recession is almost guaranteed.
But if a drop in GDP is unavoidable, governments can influence its size and scale. Politicians can react in one of three ways to a pandemic. They can do nothing, and allow the disease to rip until herd immunity is reached. Quite rightly, no government has pursued this policy, out of fear of mass deaths and total social and economic collapse.
The second approach involves imposing proportionate restrictions to facilitate social distancing, banning certain sorts of gatherings while encouraging and informing the public. The Swedes pursued a version of this centrist strategy: there was a fair bit of compulsion, but also a focus on retaining normal life and keeping schools open. The virus was taken very seriously, but there was no formal lockdown. Tegnell is one of the few genuine heroes of this crisis: he identified the correct trade-offs.
This sums up my outlook, I was worried about the reaction and the subsequent consequences.
Pandemics always come with large economic and social costs, for reasons of altruism as well as of self-interest. The only way to contain the spread of a deadly, contagious disease, in the absence of a cure or vaccine, is to social distance; fear and panic inevitably kick in, as the public desperately seeks to avoid catching the virus. A “voluntary” recession is almost guaranteed.
But if a drop in GDP is unavoidable, governments can influence its size and scale. Politicians can react in one of three ways to a pandemic. They can do nothing, and allow the disease to rip until herd immunity is reached. Quite rightly, no government has pursued this policy, out of fear of mass deaths and total social and economic collapse.
The second approach involves imposing proportionate restrictions to facilitate social distancing, banning certain sorts of gatherings while encouraging and informing the public. The Swedes pursued a version of this centrist strategy: there was a fair bit of compulsion, but also a focus on retaining normal life and keeping schools open. The virus was taken very seriously, but there was no formal lockdown. Tegnell is one of the few genuine heroes of this crisis: he identified the correct trade-offs.
