Coronavirus outbreak

[srw]

Don't forget this all probably started with 1 person, the so called 'patient zero'.

In the UK, if memory serves, they've traced something like 1100 separate introductions.

It's a bugger of a disease because it can be really nasty if you catch it, it spreads like wildfire if you don't take basic precautions and sits around being infectious for a week before you show any symptoms. But if people take basic precautions - handwashing, staying away from others and wearing masks - its spread is considerably slowed.

 

[marinyork]

Don't forget this all probably started with 1 person, the so called 'patient zero'.

There was a supposed patient uno in Italy. Evidence from the sewers in Turin and Milan suggests that the virus was circulating in northern Italy around two months before patient uno - even if he was a superspreader, it's just that he alerted the authorities to them having an unbelievably gigantic problem. Evidence in China suggests it was around a month before the Chinese government said it was officially there. In France whether it's the case of not there was a test after someone died in December suggesting they had coronavirus. It's now generally accepted the virus was around in the UK in January.

In most of these cases we're talking around a couple of months of the virus circulating before a noticeable scary explosion in cases.

That's not to be complacent, but hopefully our chaotic track and trace system and keeping an eye on meat packing factories, nursing homes, dense housing and a few other settings will see only localised outbreaks the next month or so.

 

[fossyant]

I currently don't know what care home residents life is going to be like. MIL needs 24/7 care, but is 100% there mentally, her body is knackered. She has seen some of the family at a window recently, that's it. Can't be a good way to spend your last few years.

 

[Slick]

There was a supposed patient uno in Italy. Evidence from the sewers in Turin and Milan suggests that the virus was circulating in northern Italy around two months before patient uno - even if he was a superspreader, it's just that he alerted the authorities to them having an unbelievably gigantic problem. Evidence in China suggests it was around a month before the Chinese government said it was officially there. In France whether it's the case of not there was a test after someone died in December suggesting they had coronavirus. It's now generally accepted the virus was around in the UK in January.

In most of these cases we're talking around a couple of months of the virus circulating before a noticeable scary explosion in cases.

That's not to be complacent, but hopefully our chaotic track and trace system and keeping an eye on meat packing factories, nursing homes, dense housing and a few other settings will see only localised outbreaks the next month or so.

There were 5 businesses identified in the recent spate of cases here, there were 4 pubs and 1 shop which I thought was pretty indicative of the danger zones here.

 

[Levo-Lon]

I currently don't know what care home residents life is going to be like. MIL needs 24/7 care, but is 100% there mentally, her body is knackered. She has seen some of the family at a window recently, that's it. Can't be a good way to spend your last few years.

It's awful for residents, our organisation has opened up a fair bit but I personally think they should have maintained the lock... People are way too casual.
We have visitors wandering into the building ignoring all the instructions to gel and wash..
Then when you tell them off it's like ,oh sorry I didn't think it applies to us..

I had one visiting arse tell me they wasn't breathing in my direction when I told them they weren't allowed in the room with me!!
I was repairing a fitting, so visitors must stay out of the room..I tell ya its a fookin joke and older people are the biggest offenders

 

[PK99]

Don't forget this all probably started with 1 person, the so called 'patient zero'.

Not so in the U.K..

 

[fossyant]

It's awful for residents, our organisation has opened up a fair bit but I personally think they should have maintained the lock... People are way too casual.
We have visitors wandering into the building ignoring all the instructions to gel and wash..
Then when you tell them off it's like ,oh sorry I didn't think it applies to us..

I had one visiting arse tell me they wasn't breathing in my direction when I told them they weren't allowed in the room with me!!
I was repairing a fitting, so visitors must stay out of the room..I tell ya its a fookin joke and older people are the biggest offenders

Still on lock down for MIL, which is good in a way. If she got this, she'd be dead very fast. We all stayed away from her at Christmas as we all had a nasty run of flu type illness - I stayed in the corridor ! The home has had cases, but it seems it's been from 'hospital discharges'. Fortunately, nothing on the 'nursing floor' from what we know, but they tell us nothing - we only know as a relative has a job in the home at the moment.

So scarey. MIL is currently in fine fettle, nearly died 18 months ago - she's been in rude health since being in a nursing home, despite some short comings with the home, she'd be dead had she been at her old house

 

[fossyant]

I was repairing a fitting, so visitors must stay out of the room..I tell ya its a fookin joke and older people are the biggest offenders

It is, I don't think they get how serious this is, MIL doesn't but she is 'protected'.

I'll admit, I was like 'oh it's a nasty virus that get's you a bit worse than flu' back in January....nope. I soon revised my opinion. If you are retired, you won't see the change in folk's lives which is why many carry on as they do.

Two out of 3 job losses in my house, MIL has no idea about this, or the other impacts on her family. SIL has an electrical shop, they are basically selling PPE now, face coverings and face shields as quick as they can get them. No margin.

 

[Levo-Lon]

Still on lock down for MIL, which is good in a way. If she got this, she'd be dead very fast. We all stayed away from her at Christmas as we all had a nasty run of flu type illness - I stayed in the corridor ! The home has had cases, but it seems it's been from 'hospital discharges'. Fortunately, nothing on the 'nursing floor' from what we know, but they tell us nothing - we only know as a relative has a job in the home at the moment.

So scarey. MIL is currently in fine fettle, nearly died 18 months ago - she's been in rude health since being in a nursing home, despite some short comings with the home, she'd be dead had she been at her old house

Communication is poor ,I think it's partially due to staffing numbers and time.
Our staff are meant to keep residents family up to date but it's just like having someone in hospital..you will wait a long time for info ,so maybe ring them, yes the staff get fed up with the phone ringing but their getting paid to care for your relatives.


On the PPE ..we have a shop opened near us that just supplies PPE.
It's also become a major cottage industry..

I'd say keep your chin up @fossyant but your having a shyte time by the sounds of it

 

[tom73]

In the UK, if memory serves, they've traced something like 1100 separate introductions.

It's a bugger of a disease because it can be really nasty if you catch it, it spreads like wildfire if you don't take basic precautions and sits around being infectious for a week before you show any symptoms. But if people take basic precautions - handwashing, staying away from others and wearing masks - its spread is considerably slowed.

This is the problem the distancing, hand washing message is no longer cutting though and the face mask message though new is all over the place. The go out and spend message is all what's cutting though both at a national and local level. In the early day's many wanted a lockdown or at least something to be done. Seeing what was happening and the fear of the unknown. Being told to isolate with little else to do was not a big issues for most. Now as things open up and social media fires back up full of "look at us having all this fun." Then getting told my someone miles away in call centre to stay at home. Is going to be an ever growing problem add in many employers say ok tuff all your getting is SSP.
Told you need a test and it's up to you to then sort it , test centres still not accessible for many , random local odd hoc walk in and get tested option. Get tested if you've got symptoms then locally told get tested if don't have symptoms but only for the next few days, Placers going in and out of some sort of local restrictions , shops ect opening and closing, companies going the same.

Without a clear public health message , testing that is easy to access for everyone , business continuing to play by the rules , targeted state help to the ones who really need it. National and local elected clowns not treating public health a political game. It's not going to be easy to stop things going south quickly.

Take Australia with all the quick action and enforcement they have done to try and keep a lid on things. They are now finding it hard to stop this. Main issues look's it's been down to people not play by the rules and issues with state quarantine. They are already holding an inquiry into the latter are very clear and open telling people how it is and being up front. We don't get that over here everything is old news and move on , it will be all over by Christmas in the meantime go out and get 50% of a burger paid for by us.

 

[PeteXXX]

A slightly light hearted take on Social Distancing

 

[mjr]

This is the problem the distancing, hand washing message is no longer cutting though and the face mask message though new is all over the place. The go out and spend message is all what's cutting though both at a national and local level.

Yes! Still no equivalent for England of this sort of ad:

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

Some unsettling, if provisional, findings about the effect of temperature and humidity here:

https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/weather-covid

Keep warm, keep humid this winter, everybody.

 

[tom73]

Telegraph has an interesting report on idea of face mask use is not new but the backlash is.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...mask-not-new-backlash-against-say-historians/

 

[tom73]

So less than 12 hours to go before they become a requirement and only now are the guidelines on face coverings released. Along with another u-turn on when to use them.
Coverings will be mandatory in enclosed public spaces including supermarkets, indoor shopping centres, transport hubs, banks and post offices. They must also be worn when buying takeaway food and drink, although they can be removed in a seating area.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53513026