Coronavirus outbreak

[Slick]

I disagree with your comments the other day and today that go in the obtuse direction. There's a link to the telegraph article at the top. For some reason you seem far more interested in what Boris says his opinion is (as opposed to policy) than what Vallance or Whitty say. I can't say I share that interest but you're welcome to tune in and enjoy as much as you want.

I said more Boris comments.

Present evidence as to why this is inaccurate. Boris commented. Where is your evidence he didn't? Boris made a very large set of comments recently and this is adding some more. Present evidence that 'more' is incorrect i.e. he hasn't said anything recently.

I don't think it is helpful in any way comparing the virus's likelyhood of coming back and possible reactions to that with nuclear weapons.

It's trivial that someone wouldn't want a national lockdown back. The mechanics of a national lockdown are rather different and more complicated in some ways than local ones which also have problems. It was speculated at the time the government wanted one for London to have a more local lockdown. That didn't happen. Results from local restrictions around the world were very mixed e.g
Italy and more recent examples are more positive.

I do wonder whether Boris and Matt are so positive because of the antibody kits and spit tests set to come in before winter which would be very major advances. Btw Vallance also commented on national measures saying there was a risk of them being needed in winter.

I commented on the link you provided and stand by them. He didn't compare possible reactions to nuclear weapons.

 

[Inertia]

I commented on the link you provided and stand by them. He didn't compare possible reactions to nuclear weapons.

Whilst I understand your point and he isn’t directly comparing, the analogy is unhelpful IMO As it puts the comparison in people’s minds. Unlike a nuclear deterrent its actually something he may have to use rather than something you believe you never will have to. A nuclear deterrent is the solution itself, whereas the threat of a lockdown is not.

Id rather he didn't make statements like he believes it wont be necessary as it means he is putting pressure on himself, not to call one even, if it may be needed.

 

[Adam4868]

Never mind 50,000 dead and the main news is all about Russia,China and oops almost forgot a pic of his son.

 

[srw]

That's the kind of biased reporting that would get blasted if it was regarding anyone else as you have to go to the end of the article to get what he actually said.

Maybe it's been edited since you posted, but that comment is in the second paragraph.

It's a model of unbiased, factual reporting. You get Johnson and Raab giving us their usual optimism, it's made very clear that Johnson's comments were in the context of an interview to a friendly newspaper, and Nandy and Vallance provide the alternative point of view.

 

[srw]

Never mind 50,000 dead and the main news is all about Russia,China and oops almost forgot a pic of his son.

We passed 50,000 dead weeks ago.

 

[Adam4868]

We passed 50,000 dead weeks ago.

Your point ? If there is one

 

[srw]

Your point ? If there is one

"50,000 dead" isn't news. UK Coronavirus continues to dominate the news. China's repression and Russia's attempt to subvert the UK's democracy are important stories. Johnson's baby is both a human interest story and a reminder of his ability to distract cynically.

 

[Adam4868]

"50,000 dead" isn't news. UK Coronavirus continues to dominate the news. China's repression and Russia's attempt to subvert the UK's democracy are important stories. Johnson's baby is both a human interest story and a reminder of his ability to distract cynically.

As I said then,your right it isnt news...although it should be.Russia subverting the UKs democracy has been important for quite a while if you didn't notice.They wasn't so keen to want to acknowledge this before the election though ?
Same for China's repression and human rights in general,how long have we turned a blind eye ?

 

[srw]

The FL infection rate will rapidly rise to a peak, then it will rapidly fall away again. I very much doubt the shape of the infection graph from the point where cases begin to rapidly rise will be that different, apart from the timeline.

This prediction is looking weaker by the day.

 

[midlife]

I would have thought a contact tracing centre would have been pretty covid secure?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-53465160

 

[mjr]

I would have thought a contact tracing centre would have been pretty covid secure?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-53465160

It's the blind tracing the blind! Contact tracing a contact tracing centre is going to be a bit meta.

 

[Slick]

Whilst I understand your point and he isn’t directly comparing, the analogy is unhelpful IMO As it puts the comparison in people’s minds. Unlike a nuclear deterrent its actually something he may have to use rather than something you believe you never will have to. A nuclear deterrent is the solution itself, whereas the threat of a lockdown is not.

Id rather he didn't make statements like he believes it wont be necessary as it means he is putting pressure on himself, not to call one even, if it may be needed.

Your first point was my only point despite some taking the nip, well that and the fact they were trying to construct a split with the science when there was none and I still think it's a fair enough statement and don't doubt for a single second the same mistakes would be avoided if a second lockdown was required. We should all know by now there is a risk, of course there is but all Boris said was that he didn't think we would be in that position again, which is not the same as saying there won't be one.

 

[tom73]

Yet more track and trace problems.

Only find about 50% of contacts in Blackburn which is not near enough the numbers you need to deal with outbreaks.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53463068
DOHS now admits it's never did data protection impact assessment (DPIA) for track and trace.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53466471
Baroness Harding sure is earning her money after all it's not like she's got form on this ..... oh
Sadly it's just another mess up that adds to lack of public confidence in the whole process.

 

[marinyork]

I would have thought a contact tracing centre would have been pretty covid secure?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-53465160

I actually find it reassuring that they aren't following track and trace slow prodedures as such and just recommending everyone to get tested at a large site. Seems the sensible thing rather than having chain after chain for the same site.

 

[marinyork]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53467022

More potential good news along with the antibody tests and saliva tests.

Interferon beta in nebulised form shows striking results that had to be disclosed to the stock market and not published properly yet. Looks like it's going to a larger trial.