Coronavirus outbreak

[roubaixtuesday]

I've never been a fan of the expression "between a rock and a hard place", but I'm forced to admit that it's a pretty good description of where we are now.

And while we're recycling cliches, I can't see even the faintest glimmer of light at the end of this particular tunnel.

Optimists perspective: I don't think it's that bad. China, New Zealand, South Korea have all proved its possible to control the virus. Germany has done a great job closer to home, as has Greece.

Treatment is already better understood.

Vaccine research is going faster than anyone would have thought possible.

Younger people are not so badly affected.

With a clear and well executed strategy we can get on top of this.

 

[Adam4868]

Pubs,you should only go if it's essential drinking and you can't drink from home...as much as I miss them i think I'll give next weekend a swerve

 

[tom73]

The guidelines on pub ect use the term "visitor economy"

"The visitor economy is much broader than tourism and encompasses all staying and non-staying visitors and the activities and expenditure involved in supplying products and services for visitors by both the private and public sectors.
The visitor economy also encompasses a multitude of different working environments, from outdoor paid for attractions like theme parks to indoor attractions like stately homes or planetariums.
It also includes a variety of activities and events which take place at hotels, convention and exhibition centres and conference halls and meeting rooms."

They go to say they have to have pre-booking, collecting and holding contact information for 21 day.
So basically anything not open at the moment and in future you're going to need to book and give your details.
Some of the small placers just won't be able to open at all they won't break even.

 

[Tanis8472]

Optimists perspective: I don't think it's that bad. China, New Zealand, South Korea have all proved its possible to control the virus. Germany has done a great job closer to home, as has Greece.

Treatment is already better understood.

Vaccine research is going faster than anyone would have thought possible.

Younger people are not so badly affected.

With a clear and well executed strategy we can get on top of this.

Shame we have Johnson and his murderous cabal at the helm.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Shame we have Johnson and his murderous cabal at the helm.

Yeah. I did say it was an optimists perspective...

 

[tom73]

Whitty is no lap dog it's often what's not pick up on and reported that say's all you need know.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...tty-diverged-from-uk-government-line-covid-19

 

[MntnMan62]

That may or may not be true. We simply don't know yet.

No, we DO know that immunity is not being seen. Many people are getting the virus more than once. Fact.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

No, we DO know that immunity is not being seen. Many people are getting the virus more than once. Fact.

As this is a fact, you'll be able to provide a link to a reputable source rather than just assert it.

 

[MntnMan62]

As this is a fact, you'll be able to provide a link to a reputable source rather than just assert it.

I can't seem to find any scientific articles that confirm what I've said. However, the basis for my statement was what took place on a US Navy ship.

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your...sevelt-sailors-re-test-positive-for-covid-19/

 

[midlife]

I can't seem to find any scientific articles that confirm what I've said. However, the basis for my statement was what took place on a US Navy ship.

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your...sevelt-sailors-re-test-positive-for-covid-19/

I believe that the positive tests were non-viable viral genomic material on dead lung cells. Now I'l going to have to find the source...

 

[MntnMan62]

I believe that the positive tests were non-viable viral genomic material on dead lung cells. Now I'l going to have to find the source...

I guess my "fact" is turning out to be conjecture on my part. The real answer is they don't know yet if there is immunity once you have the virus. They speculate that there could be short term immunity but don't really know. So I stand corrected. I did read that in Japan and China they were investigating the recurrence of the virus in some people but the results of those investigations haven't been reported.

 

[All uphill]

I guess my "fact" is turning out to be conjecture on my part. The real answer is they don't know yet if there is immunity once you have the virus. They speculate that there could be short term immunity but don't really know. So I stand corrected. I did read that in Japan and China they were investigating the recurrence of the virus in some people but the results of those investigations haven't been reported.

Well done @MntnMan62 for acknowledging that. It doesn't often happen here!

 

[midlife]

Polite e-mail reminder from my employer today to keep more than 2m apart....... (below)

Yesterday the Government eased the 2m rule for social distancing enabling the distance to be 1m plus if 2m is not possible. Here at **** we are still recommending 2m where at all possible which is what we are operating at now. This is because 2m gives better safeguarding and the safety of staff and patients is our highest priority.

We have also had a reminder that we must not gather in groups larger than 2.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I can't seem to find any scientific articles that confirm what I've said. However, the basis for my statement was what took place on a US Navy ship.

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your...sevelt-sailors-re-test-positive-for-covid-19/

Right. So " we DO know that immunity is not being seen. Many people are getting the virus more than once. " is not a fact at all it turns out. At the most it seems that you can support something like "people once infected may continue to return positive tests for a period of time, even after returning negative tests". There are many reasons other than getting the virus more than once which could cause this.

On the other hand

"Dr Joshua Schiffer, an expert in infectious diseases at Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in the US, added that any signs of reinfection would require detailed scrutiny.
“I have yet to see a definitive case of reinfection reported in the scientific literature [to date]"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...irus-twice-what-we-know-about-covid-19-so-far

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I guess my "fact" is turning out to be conjecture on my part. The real answer is they don't know yet if there is immunity once you have the virus. They speculate that there could be short term immunity but don't really know. So I stand corrected. I did read that in Japan and China they were investigating the recurrence of the virus in some people but the results of those investigations haven't been reported.

We crossed. Kudos for your response here.