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AndyRM

XOXO
Location
North Shields
A friend of mine owns a small restaurant in Darlington, she shared this, which I think is pretty spot on:

While I understand everyone’s excitement at yesterday’s announcement that bars and restaurants can reopen from 4th July- can I just remind everyone to proceed with caution. I’m sure you all will! But I feel some are getting swept up in excitement thinking everything is returning to how it was- IT ISN’T!!

As a restaurant owner myself, I am taking the decision to protect my staff and customers and remain take out only, at least for the time being.

Firstly, there a potentially deadly virus still in general circulation, and I do not want to be responsible for encouraging the spread of it in any way. I do not want to encourage people to leave their homes unnecessarily and mix with other households just to enjoy our food- they can do this much more safely in their own homes as they have for the past few months.

Secondly- and this is where I believe people aren’t thinking about it- in the guidance published by the government, restaurants have a responsibility to ensure guests don’t mix in groups of more than 2 households. (Do we want that responsibility? How will it be enforced?) We also have to record details of everyone who visits- presumably to provide information to the track and trace service. So, if any customer tests positive within 2 weeks of visiting the restaurant all our staff will have to self-isolate for 2 weeks? Is that practical? I reckon restaurants will have to close almost straight away in many cases due to staff shortages!

Just a word of caution to restaurant owners, before you spend money getting your restaurants ready to open in a week and a half- is it worth it? Not just financially, but ethically too?

I think not!
 

Joey Shabadoo

My pronouns are "He", "Him" and "buggerlugs"
In Scotland it's the law that everyone going on a bus has to wear a face mask. Nicola Sturgeon told us this in no uncertain terms. Yesterday someone got on a bus in Glasgow and was shocked to see virtually nobody was wearing a mask. He asked the driver about it and was told it was company policy not to challenge people about masks because they may have an underlying medical condition.

So today I've been paying attention to the buses that stop outside my window. Yup. Very few masks.

What's the point?

The idea that people are going to hand over accurate contact details in pubs on a Saturday night is ludicrous.

It's not going to happen.
 

tom73

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
More new cases look to be happening all over the world in placers that have unlocked. The current hot bed here looks to be meat and food factories with 2 more today. Add in pictures of packed out seasides yet again all before the 4th July madness and it’s not looking good.
 

Gazjacko

Well-Known Member
I'm not sure I understand the concept of herd immunity. Is herd immunity something along the lines of expose everyone, once exposed you have a built in immunity based on the concept that once exposed or once you had the virus you won't get it again? Do I have that right? If I do, clarify this for me. Since this particular virus is one in which humans are NOT developing an immunity to it after exposure or contracting it. All we are seeing is some people get sick and others don't. But the concept of who is acquiring immunity has not been established and in fact studies seem to show that people can contract the virus more than once. So, if I'm correct as to what "herd immunity" is, how exactly does herd immunity help us as a species if building immunity is purely a farce?
As far as I’m aware there’s no documented case of anyone getting Covid twice...........yet
 

AndyRM

XOXO
Location
North Shields
The post does not seem to be public. Are you sure you had permission to repost it here?

Yes.
 
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Adam4868

Legendary Member
You mean packed socially distanced beaches like have produced no detectable spikes yet? I'd worry much more about the packers.
To be fair I've been working in central Blackpool for the last week and the lockdowns finished.Even more so the last couple of days with the good weather.Promenade and beach today was packed.
 

classic33

Leg End Member
In Scotland it's the law that everyone going on a bus has to wear a face mask. Nicola Sturgeon told us this in no uncertain terms. Yesterday someone got on a bus in Glasgow and was shocked to see virtually nobody was wearing a mask. He asked the driver about it and was told it was company policy not to challenge people about masks because they may have an underlying medical condition.

So today I've been paying attention to the buses that stop outside my window. Yup. Very few masks.

What's the point?

The idea that people are going to hand over accurate contact details in pubs on a Saturday night is ludicrous.

It's not going to happen.
FirstBus have the following download from their site
532262

The idea being you print off the one you need and show it to the driver(s), who aren't allowed at present, to turn passengers off the bus for not having a face covering.
 

Wobblers

Euthermic
Location
Minkowski Space
I guess my "fact" is turning out to be conjecture on my part. The real answer is they don't know yet if there is immunity once you have the virus. They speculate that there could be short term immunity but don't really know. So I stand corrected. I did read that in Japan and China they were investigating the recurrence of the virus in some people but the results of those investigations haven't been reported.

There was a study investigating this very thing in South Korea. There has been a pattern where people who're recuperating from CV-19 have tested negative, but positive at a later test. The investigators concluded that what such observations were not caused by new infections, but the test detecting non-viable fragments of the virus left over from the illness.

It's discussed on the Medcram youtube channel here. Medcram is the best resource on CV-19 I've found on youtube, and it's well worth going through some of the videos that have been posted.
 

MntnMan62

Über Member
Location
Northern NJ
Ok folks. I just read that new Covid-19 cases have just soared to a new single day record since the beginning of this thing. That can’t be explained away by saying more testing is being done. I’d say donald j. drumpf is doing a remarkable job of killing off people. And given people’s attitudes about social distancing and wearing masks I’d bet that most of the cases are drumpf supporters. Natural Selection at work here. You hear that Charles Darwin? You were right!
 
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