Coronavirus outbreak

[marinyork]

All progressing nicely I see remind me again when was this all to have been up and running by ?

It's looking like late summer/ready for autumn/winter for track and trace, app, answers on whether a vaccine may be promising, other tech solutions coming on stream.

If the centralised approach does distance calculation through RSSI or some other means better, this needs to be communicated by the government (although I'm sceptical about the claims). It's looking more like an app that works well is technically far too difficult to write in real life timescales and it'd only give you contact/handshake information, which would only be useful in a setting like a university or a pub. And even then, very walking around in the dark.

 

[tom73]

It's looking like late summer/ready for autumn/winter for track and trace, app, answers on whether a vaccine may be promising, other tech solutions coming on stream.

If the centralised approach does distance calculation through RSSI or some other means better, this needs to be communicated by the government (although I'm sceptical about the claims). It's looking more like an app that works well is technically far too difficult to write in real life timescales and it'd only give you contact/handshake information, which would only be useful in a setting like a university or a pub. And even then, very walking around in the dark.

I'm not sold on the claims either so much energy has gone into this and even it ever comes off think the public have lost any remaining confidence in using it. It's making it a lot harder than it need's to be and at this rate will cost even more than the tried and tested boot leather way. It was never going to the silver bullet it was painted if anything it quickly turned into a lemon.

 

[marinyork]

I'm not sold on the claims either so much energy has gone into this and even it ever comes off think the public have lost any remaining confidence in using it. It's making it a lot harder than it need's to be and at this rate will cost even more than the tried and tested boot leather way. It was never going to the silver bullet it was painted if anything it quickly turned into a lemon.

I think having the Serco type contract tracing setup which we've had described by workers themselves doesn't help the contract tracing. Nor does the misguided rules about the second person isolating, those rules don't help. Supposedly in Singapore and other systems the second node, the person who gets contacted after a positive result from someone else gets tested and may even get tested more than once until it's 2x negative (you're free to go out) or the virus leaves their system (sensible if rather large burden on the testing regime, but necessary).

I'm not sure the public have any confidence in any aspect of things run by politicians now.

I'm interested in what SPI-B and others think, because if we go down to 1 metre I think that'll go out of the window then. There'll be some mild physical distancing going on after a bit and other things more or less normal. 1.5 metres it might maintain different behaviours.

 

[marinyork]

Guardian

Test and trace scheme 'not gold standard' yet, but will improve, says its boss, Dido Harding
Dido Harding, the Tory peer who runs the test and trace programme, has admitted that the system needs to improve.
Commenting on the first set of performance statistics for it published today (see 1.13pm), she told journalists:

We are not at the gold standard yet that we want to be, of isolating all contacts within 48 hours of someone requesting a test. But you can absolutely see the path of how we are going to get there.

She said the programme was “fit for purpose”. But it would improve, she said.

Just as the infection rate is coming down in the country, so is our capability to test and trace growing.
We have got real scale - this is a national-level service that has stood up in extraordinary time.
Is it completely perfect? No, of course it isn’t. Is there stuff that we all need to do better? Yes there is.
But I think it’s fit for purpose as we stand today and will get better through the summer

 

[tom73]

Oh that's clear as mud then, it works just fine, but it's not the best, it needs improving but is good enough get though the summer.
How much is Harding getting paid to come up with this crap?

 

[marinyork]

Test and trace stats don't know what to make of. Seems that each positive test has around 5 to 6 high risk close contacts told to isolate. That seems frigging high to me. Many of us if we tested positive we would have zero high risk contacts told to self isolate, outside the household. So an average of six seems high.

 

[tom73]

Please Matt don't try and tell me what my civic duty is. If you'd done your's we'd not be this mess

 

[marinyork]

I'd like to see a journalist asking what the test and trace numbers mean. Are the government pleased or frustrated that each positive person they contacted had an average of 5 to 6 high risk contacts.

 

[tom73]

I'd like to see a journalist asking what the test and trace numbers mean. Are the government pleased or frustrated that each positive person they contacted had an average of 5 to 6 high risk contacts.

Oh came on that's a logical question and if a possible bear trap if they don't reply the a convincing answer and not look like they are telling porky's.

 

[marinyork]

Matt comments on what we learnt a while ago from the ONS about their studies suggesting 70% of people are asymptomatic. If that's true testing needs targeting and ramping up even further.

Testing of high risk groups like security guards is a positive whenever that gets going.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

I just heard Hancock say R, according to SAGE models, is below 1 in all regions ''but in one region it's above one in a couple of regions.''

Thank you for that clarification!

 

[midlife]

If this carries on with test and trace there will be a quarter of a million people in isolation in ten days time!

 

[randynewmanscat]

Tanzania covid free say's president "Corona in our country has been removed by the powers of God"
Just a coincidence then that the government stopped publishing data 6 weeks ago.
He need's to make up his mind he did calm his son was healed of covid my drinking a mixture of ginger and lemonade.

Ben Shaws used to do a good ginger beer, as did the othe other pop delivery company whose name escapes me now..
It could be worse, he might have been cured with bones from an albino, an albino still alive but missing a limb, I jest you not. I talked with a friend about this a few weeks ago and we agreed that if the Covid epedemic took hold in Tanzania that albinos who could should get out or lay very low.

 

[tom73]

If this carries on with test and trace there will be a quarter of a million people in isolation in ten days time!

They did say it would be world beating

 

[Edwardoka]

I just heard Hancock say R, according to SAGE models, is below 1 in all regions ''but in one region it's above one in a couple of regions.''

Thank you for that clarification!

That's some priti good clarification.