Coronavirus outbreak

[tom73]

So the government 1st did not like the R number so invent a new one, virus threat level then tried to fiddle it by moving the pointer to 3.
When all the Uk's CMO's say no they just forget the level completely and press on.
BEME are at higher risk of covid government has a report gone. Then removes the bits it don't like leaving all the bits that say they are risk.
Which is what every worked out already. Just which part of science do they like ?

 

[mjr]

Bugger, failed the fit test again for the 3 disposable masks available using some fancy particulate measuring system. Shape of my face is wrong apparently, think Jimmy "the schnozzle" Durante!!

(pic of Jimmy tipping his hat to you)

 

[mjr]

Just which part of science do they like ?

As @deptfordmarmoset pointed out, they've always been clear that they're furloughing the science.

 

[stowie]

The Telegraph is announcing an exclusive



Well, that is a relief. Does beg a few questions. What the holy fark has Boris been doing up until now? What depth of national / international crisis would he believe doesn't merit a hands-off approach? As well as the question "does he think this announcement will reassure us?".

There have been suggestions that the new style will involve him mainly being kept busy with a colouring in book whilst Cummings plows forward with his dystopian plan for the future.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Johnson "very proud" of coronavirus response: "We have protected the NHS, we have driven down the death rate. We are now seeing far fewer hospital admissions"

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...es-himself-very-proud-of-coronavirus-response

Beggars belief. It's like Roy Hodgson saying he was "very proud" of our plucky defeat against Iceland in the Euros. "We showed a goal, we contained them to two, we were still on the pitch at the very end"

[shoot. I made up the Hodgson bit, but Google tells me I'm actually right, more or less... " I’m actually proud of the work my coaching staff and I have achieved over our time at the helm of England. The transition from the squad whose average age was 30 to now being the youngest in the tournament is both remarkable and exciting for the future of English football". Terrifying. ]

 

[roubaixtuesday]

359 deaths today.

It seems to be going very badly the last couple of weeks; not only are we worse than anywhere in Europe, we're not improving at the same rate most other European countries are.

Why the fark are we relaxing restrictions with so many people still dying, and such little sign of improvement?

 

[marinyork]

Ferguson did some media pieces yesterday where he gave his opinion that a lack of tracing, PPE and protection in care homes with covid-19 patients was exporting it back out into the community and making it self sustaining. He seemed to be saying that could mean it'd carry on at this level to September without any changes happening.

 

[tom73]

Dido Harding was clueless when asked questions over talk talk data breach.
Today she was clueless when asked about test and trace today by the select committee. The picture looks clear they know all about the sats and bit that are working ok. But have no idea how bad the bad bits are oh and it's our fault it's under used. As people are not getting tested
and nothing to do with balls up when people try.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

3

Why the fark are we relaxing restrictions with so many people still dying, and such little sign of improvement?

Because we're somewhere between level 3 and 4, which using the Cummings manoeuvre rule, means we can treat it as 3.

Q: The government said the lockdown would not be relaxed until the alert level went down to 3. But it is still at 4. What has happened?​

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Whitty says relaxing the lockdown was linked to the government’s five tests.​

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But the alert level is different, he says. It is independently set. It monitors the spread of the disease.​

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(Whitty is wrong about this. The government’s coronavirus recovery plan specifically said: “The content and timing of the second stage of adjustments will depend on the most up-to-date assessment of the risk posed by the virus. The five tests set out in the first chapter must justify changes, and they must be warranted by the current alert level.” And the government produced a chart saying gradual relaxation of the lockdown would only start when the alert level went down to 3. See here.)​

 

[stowie]

Johnson "very proud" of coronavirus response: "We have protected the NHS, we have driven down the death rate. We are now seeing far fewer hospital admissions"

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...es-himself-very-proud-of-coronavirus-response

Beggars belief. It's like Roy Hodgson saying he was "very proud" of our plucky defeat against Iceland in the Euros. "We showed a goal, we contained them to two, we were still on the pitch at the very end"

[shoot. I made up the Hodgson bit, but Google tells me I'm actually right, more or less... " I’m actually proud of the work my coaching staff and I have achieved over our time at the helm of England. The transition from the squad whose average age was 30 to now being the youngest in the tournament is both remarkable and exciting for the future of English football". Terrifying. ]

Until I read your last paragraph my finger was poised on the reply button to say that the analogy had some flaws!

I think at the time that Hodgson got quite a lot of stick for his comments. He did carry on...

“I would have loved to stay on for another two years. However, I am pragmatic and I know we are in the results business. My contract was always up after the Euros, so now is the time for someone else to oversee the progress of this young, hungry and extremely talented group of players. They have been fantastic and have done everything that has been asked of them. When I arrived I was told players didn’t turn up to play for their country or that they pulled out at the last minute. I have not seen any of that. These players love to play for their country and their commitment has been unquestioned

I particularly loved the bit underlined in bold. I wondered whether Hodgson had asked them to actually lose to Iceland in that case.

Still it could be worse. I visited Brazil shortly after their huge loss to Germany in the World Cup. One of the newspapers just a photo of the Brazilian national team, the scoreboard and a huge headline roughly translating to "The wound that will last a thousand years". I made a note that the country wasn't taking the defeat particularly well.

 

[tom73]

Because we're somewhere between level 3 and 4, which using the Cummings manoeuvre rule, means we can treat it as 3.

Q: The government said the lockdown would not be relaxed until the alert level went down to 3. But it is still at 4. What has happened?​

​

Whitty says relaxing the lockdown was linked to the government’s five tests.​

​

But the alert level is different, he says. It is independently set. It monitors the spread of the disease.​

​

(Whitty is wrong about this. The government’s coronavirus recovery plan specifically said: “The content and timing of the second stage of adjustments will depend on the most up-to-date assessment of the risk posed by the virus. The five tests set out in the first chapter must justify changes, and they must be warranted by the current alert level.” And the government produced a chart saying gradual relaxation of the lockdown would only start when the alert level went down to 3. See here.)​

Maybe Whitty is telling us how it was suppose to work so we know it's all gone tits up. Which other than turning round to PM on camera and say it's total balls up. Is only way he can still stay professional given the fact that he and the rest of UK CMO's told the government no you can't move it to 3. But they just walked all over them he is clear he's not happy and it's showing.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

Maybe Whitty is telling us how it was suppose to work so we know it's all gone tits up. Which other than turning round to PM on camera and say it's total balls up. Is only way he can still stay professional given the fact that he and the rest of UK CMO's told the government no you can't move it to 3. But they just walked all over them he is clear he's not happy and it's showing.

Whichever, Whitty is compromised and will end up taking the can. Because, let's face it, the government won't.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Whitty is compromised and will end up taking the can.

From what Whitty, and even more so Vallance said at the start of this they should be taking a slice of the blame. What made them so convinced they knew better than the WHO and the rest of the world?

Why were they saying we were a month behind Italy when it was blindingly obvious (even to a fule like me) it was no more than a fortnight at most?

Why on earth were they advising international football games with teams from major outbreak centres were low risk?

 

[mjr]

Why the fark are we relaxing restrictions with so many people still dying, and such little sign of improvement?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll3uipTO-4A

 

[roubaixtuesday]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll3uipTO-4A

Maybe, but even that doesn't make any rational sense.

The countries whose economies are best placed now are those who have the lowest deaths and cases. UK policy is driving the opposite. Thr policy seems both economically illiterate and destructive of health and lives.