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Tanis8472
Guru
I hate those automatic bp machines. Go far too tight.
Yeah, those infrared jobs are crap. Work use them to measure chilled and frozen stuff. External temps invariably are lots of degrees warmer than when box is opened. Pointless.
So today briefing is again brought to us my matt.
Think I can work out what will happen
People are still dying but so what , the stats say what ever I want them to, some are getting testing some won't be but i've no idea what it all means. The press will ask pointless questions which the experts will reply to with fact's the press don't want to hear, they will push for the 2m rule to go as they are now really bored with all this.
The expert will be trying hard to keep a straight face as matt tells us every thing is fine and will soon have covid done and dusted.
Just in time for the pubs to open next week in the mean time have a covid test they are free this week with any purchase from a none essential shop now open.
Think I can work out what will happen
People are still dying but so what , the stats say what ever I want them to, some are getting testing some won't be but i've no idea what it all means. The press will ask pointless questions which the experts will reply to with fact's the press don't want to hear, they will push for the 2m rule to go as they are now really bored with all this.
The expert will be trying hard to keep a straight face as matt tells us every thing is fine and will soon have covid done and dusted.
Just in time for the pubs to open next week in the mean time have a covid test they are free this week with any purchase from a none essential shop now open.
midlife
Guru
From BBC reality check (below) government were not counting deaths if the positive result came from a commercial laboratory........sneaked that one in under the radar.
At yesterday’s briefing, UK Health Secretary Matt Hancock announced that there had been an increase in coronavirus deaths of 111 in the last 24 hours. The total number of people who have died after testing positive for Covid-19 stood at 39,045 – according to government figures.
But the previous day’s total was 38,489 – which was 556 lower (as Piers Morgan, among others, pointed out). So, where did the extra 445 deaths come from?
It turns out that until yesterday, the figure for the number of people who died after a positive test only included those whose test had been processed in an NHS or Public Health England laboratory.
On 1 June, the system was changed so that it also included tests processed by a commercial lab (since 24 May). That change meant a total of 445 extra people were counted as having died after testing positive, which was why the cumulative number rose by so much more than the daily figure.
Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland still do not count people who have died after positive test results run through commercial labs.
At yesterday’s briefing, UK Health Secretary Matt Hancock announced that there had been an increase in coronavirus deaths of 111 in the last 24 hours. The total number of people who have died after testing positive for Covid-19 stood at 39,045 – according to government figures.
But the previous day’s total was 38,489 – which was 556 lower (as Piers Morgan, among others, pointed out). So, where did the extra 445 deaths come from?
It turns out that until yesterday, the figure for the number of people who died after a positive test only included those whose test had been processed in an NHS or Public Health England laboratory.
On 1 June, the system was changed so that it also included tests processed by a commercial lab (since 24 May). That change meant a total of 445 extra people were counted as having died after testing positive, which was why the cumulative number rose by so much more than the daily figure.
Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland still do not count people who have died after positive test results run through commercial labs.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
I don't think it's valid to conclude that IR thermometers are crap because your work is doing something obviously stupid. Humans aren't covered in cardboard (well, at least I'm not) and the latest medical ones seem to match an oral themometer pretty closely if used correctly (aimed at the superficial temporal artery from the stated range, basically), without the drawback of having to clean it before and after every use.
However, there is still the question of how reliable temperature is at indicating this infection, so best not to rely on it too much.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
It's only ever been guidance, hasn't it? Anyway, it's pretty much gone out there since Cumgate. People are just spacing out as much as they feel or are required to to get into shops.
Another group that no-one talks about and many sadly just forget them.
Deaths of people with learning disabilities in England have increased by 134% during the coronavirus pandemic.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-52891401
Deaths of people with learning disabilities in England have increased by 134% during the coronavirus pandemic.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-52891401
Tanis8472
Guru
Not necessarily, external temperature can be a proxy measure of internal temperature. Along the lines: a box surface temperature of x indicates an internal temperature of y.
lazybloke
Today i follow the flying spaghetti monster
- Location
- Leafy Surrey
Regardless of your thoughts on Brexit, I'm reminded that even Boris & chums concur that leaving the EU was very dodgy from an economic point of view. Our membership fee was repaid many times over by the benefits and opportunities of membership; all of that will be lost when our transitional deal ends in a few months time.
Will we apply to extend that transitional arrangement? It appears not, and perhaps that's a deliberate ploy by our government to 'force' a better trade deal, because "they need us more than we need them", but it's a huge gamble to risk alienation from our neighbours (friends), just at the time when we'll be trying to recover from the Corona depression. Where is the discussion and debate on these issues?
When the pandemic hit, our government consistently said we were 2-3 weeks behind countries (eg Italy). What a shame we didn't use those weeks constructively. Or if you look at the months of warning we had as events unfolded in Wuhan/China, what a shame we didn't use that time to better prepare. In fact, what a shame we didn't learn the lessons from those pandemic simulations that were carried out in recent years; you know, the similations that clearly identified the need for large stockpiles and production capacity of PPE.
No, instead of being prepared ,our government actively pursued policy of 'herd immunity' (aka "let half a million die"), and only changed course when it became clear the NHS would quickly reach a state of total collapse. Don't forget out government also ignored large parts of WHO guidance, and outright rejected opportunities to pool PPE purchasing power with other countries, whilst simultaneously failing to equip care homes, and actually discharging untested sick patients into their care. It's actually a disgusting and reckless failure; the resulting spike in infections & deaths is no surprise.
And what's happening now? A progressive relaxation of restrictions, despite repeated public misgivings from members of SAGE.
Something is clearly not right here; Government policy is at odds with scientific advice. Is Boris actually pursuing a resumption of the 'herd immunity' policy? It cetainly seems that way - as long as hospital bed occupancy is low enough not to overwhelm the NHS, Boris seems happy to throw the vulnerable section of society under the coronavirus bus.
So how many more will die at the hands of Boris?
39,000 is the official figure (deaths) to date in the UK, although the FT reported it as 62,000 if you consider 'excess deaths'. The recent antibody survey suggested only 7% of the population have had the virus, and the Imperial College study reckons the worst case scenario is 80% of the population contracting it. It's a very simple extrapolation to demonstrate we're not even one sixth of the way through this pandemic, unless something very dramatic happens like a vaccine, or an unexpected fizzling out.
If that doesn't happen, we might have as many as 700,000 deaths ; that's about 1% of the UK population dead. Hopefully those numbers are wrong.
But even going by current figures (absolute infections, absolute deaths, rates of each, etc), the UK rates as one of the worst-affected countries in the world. so can you imagine other countries welcoming UK tourists?
Or can you imagine international travellers wanting to come to the UK? The media reports about wanting "air corridors" seems like pie in the sky.
It seems more likely that we need to get used to our isolation for some time to come.
And if Boris wants to open the country up to the world, he needs to step up his game, even if that does mean making unpopular decisions.
Edited to add additional data.
Will we apply to extend that transitional arrangement? It appears not, and perhaps that's a deliberate ploy by our government to 'force' a better trade deal, because "they need us more than we need them", but it's a huge gamble to risk alienation from our neighbours (friends), just at the time when we'll be trying to recover from the Corona depression. Where is the discussion and debate on these issues?
When the pandemic hit, our government consistently said we were 2-3 weeks behind countries (eg Italy). What a shame we didn't use those weeks constructively. Or if you look at the months of warning we had as events unfolded in Wuhan/China, what a shame we didn't use that time to better prepare. In fact, what a shame we didn't learn the lessons from those pandemic simulations that were carried out in recent years; you know, the similations that clearly identified the need for large stockpiles and production capacity of PPE.
No, instead of being prepared ,our government actively pursued policy of 'herd immunity' (aka "let half a million die"), and only changed course when it became clear the NHS would quickly reach a state of total collapse. Don't forget out government also ignored large parts of WHO guidance, and outright rejected opportunities to pool PPE purchasing power with other countries, whilst simultaneously failing to equip care homes, and actually discharging untested sick patients into their care. It's actually a disgusting and reckless failure; the resulting spike in infections & deaths is no surprise.
And what's happening now? A progressive relaxation of restrictions, despite repeated public misgivings from members of SAGE.
Something is clearly not right here; Government policy is at odds with scientific advice. Is Boris actually pursuing a resumption of the 'herd immunity' policy? It cetainly seems that way - as long as hospital bed occupancy is low enough not to overwhelm the NHS, Boris seems happy to throw the vulnerable section of society under the coronavirus bus.
So how many more will die at the hands of Boris?
39,000 is the official figure (deaths) to date in the UK, although the FT reported it as 62,000 if you consider 'excess deaths'. The recent antibody survey suggested only 7% of the population have had the virus, and the Imperial College study reckons the worst case scenario is 80% of the population contracting it. It's a very simple extrapolation to demonstrate we're not even one sixth of the way through this pandemic, unless something very dramatic happens like a vaccine, or an unexpected fizzling out.
If that doesn't happen, we might have as many as 700,000 deaths ; that's about 1% of the UK population dead. Hopefully those numbers are wrong.
But even going by current figures (absolute infections, absolute deaths, rates of each, etc), the UK rates as one of the worst-affected countries in the world. so can you imagine other countries welcoming UK tourists?
Or can you imagine international travellers wanting to come to the UK? The media reports about wanting "air corridors" seems like pie in the sky.
It seems more likely that we need to get used to our isolation for some time to come.
And if Boris wants to open the country up to the world, he needs to step up his game, even if that does mean making unpopular decisions.
Edited to add additional data.
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Really ? next thing will be having to smell some smelling salts before you can walk though the door.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
What review?
And if it's not that one?
IMO you've let perfection be the enemy of the good on at least two other public health measures on this thread, so I hesitate on this.
