Coronavirus outbreak

[lane]

1m cyclist dynamic envelope + 2m clearance + 1m cyclist dynamic envelope + 1.5m minimum overtaking clearance + 2m car width = 7.5m

UK Design Manual for Roads and Bridges standard single-carriageway road width = 7.3m

Basically, motorists can no longer legally overtake cyclists on a standard UK A road unless the cyclists go single file, even if they drive right up to the right edge of the road. This could get interesting.

Good point. Safer side by side 2m apart than in single file from an infection point of view.

 

[tom73]

Today is International Nurses Day as all the events have been cancelled
To mark it people are being asked to ‘shine a light’ for Nurses by put a light your window at 8.30pm.
Both as a little thank you and a moment to remember the 65 nurses (we know about) have died from Covid.
So if you see one today be nice and give them wave.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=WJSiIhphvLw&feature=emb_logo

 

[marinyork]

Guidance needs updating fast. One local organisation with the best of intentions is saying it wants to use the 1 external person guidance under step 1 to offer services all day long by having one member of staff rotate different people .

 

[tom73]

Guidance needs updating fast. One local organisation with the best of intentions is saying it wants to use the 1 external person guidance under step 1 to offer services all day long by having one member of staff rotate different people .

Oh dear

 

[lane]

One thing confusing me, perhaps the more expert on here can explain. Whitty saying we may never get a vaccine and we don't know if people will have immunity from the virus. I know he was also a great advocate of herd immunity early on - so exactly how was he anticipating that would work without people becoming immune?

 

[PK99]

One thing confusing me, perhaps the more expert on here can explain. Whitty saying we may never get a vaccine and we don't know if people will have immunity from the virus. I know he was also a great advocate of herd immunity early on - so exactly how was he anticipating that would work without people becoming immune?

He believes we will get a vaccine - but, as a scientist, recognises that we may not. Similarly while there is no rigorous demonstration of post infection immunity he must caveat his statement on that also, despite believing it to be the case.

With no Vaccine, no immunity after infection and no effective treatment, it really would be Armageddon for all societies as we know them.
Maybe James Lovelock's Gaia is at work reducing the world population, resetting us to a simpler way of life and solving the climate crisis and overpopulation in one fell swoop.

 

[lane]

He believes we will get a vaccine - but, as a scientist, recognises that we may not. Similarly while there is no rigorous demonstration of post infection immunity he must caveat his statement on that also, despite believing it to be the case.

With no Vaccine, no immunity after infection and no effective treatment, it really would be Armageddon for all societies as we know them.
Maybe James Lovelock's Gaia is at work reducing the world population, resetting us to a simpler way of life and solving the climate crisis and overpopulation in one fell swoop.

Yes but that doesn't really answer my question. If he can't be certain of immunity how could he be an advocate of herd immunity?

 

[marinyork]

Yes but that doesn't really answer my question. If he can't be certain of immunity how could he be an advocate of herd immunity?

Studying similar and many other pandemics it is likely some limited level of immunity exists. How long that lasts no one knows. Serious studies are being conducted in germany and the UK and may be published the next couple of months on initial immunity.

PHE is next door to the defence science and technology lab. Whitty and Vallance said they have evidence that there is a small amount of immunity (in march). It's believed tests have been carried out at said lab to confirm this, but not published for national security reasons.

Never getting a vaccine is because coronavirus is regarded as a technically difficult family of viruses to devise a vaccine for.

 

[kingrollo]

One thing confusing me, perhaps the more expert on here can explain. Whitty saying we may never get a vaccine and we don't know if people will have immunity from the virus. I know he was also a great advocate of herd immunity early on - so exactly how was he anticipating that would work without people becoming immune?

I would think he made the assumption that there would be immunity after infection & recovery.

 

[lane]

Betting everything on something not verified doesn't seem a great idea leaving aside it turned out to be a discredited policy otherwise. If I were Whitty I wouldn't be relishing the forthcoming inquiry.

 

[kingrollo]

Betting everything on something not verified doesn't seem a great idea leaving aside it turned out to be a discredited policy otherwise. If I were Whitty I wouldn't be relishing the forthcoming inquiry.

I think the word "degree" might get him out of a hole.

 

[tom73]

Did I hear the government muppet right on the briefing.
So you know your workplace or shop you in is comply with guidelines they can download a sign saying so and display it with no need to prove it. Ok can't think what may go wrong with that one.

 

[mjr]

Did I hear the government muppet right on the briefing.
So you know your workplace or shop you in is comply with guidelines they can download a sign saying so and display it with no need to prove it. Ok can't think what may go wrong with that one.

Does a headdesk a day keep the covid away?

 

[marinyork]

80% of traffic levels out there.

Good daily briefing today, well relatively.

 

[tom73]

Where are all the HSE inspectors going to come from to enforce all the new standards ?