Coronavirus outbreak

[marinyork]

Gyms have got to be one of the last places to reopen. Sweaty bodies breathing heavily isn’t somewhere I’d want to be.
It would be impossible to clean the equipment and limit social distancing.

It was speculated last week in the press, who may have seen bits of the documents/heard what was said that gyms would be the last and it might be October.

However, this morning, there's a lot of debate around personal trainers and exercise outside. Outdoor gyms are already specifically prohibited at the moment. In the coming weeks it will need to be clarified. The gym I used to go to has already said this morning "we aren't a gym". Yes, you are.

 

[tom73]

Sad

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/may/12/uk-rail-worker-dies-coronavirus-spat-belly-mujinga

So sad and pretty shocking now you can see why many police are calling Covid a weapon.
As a minimum they are looking at racially aggravated assault.

 

[Archie_tect]

What a trite, glib, and self-satisfiedly smug response to a perfectly acceptable conceptual visualisation.

If you don't like it say so.

 

[tom73]

It was speculated last week in the press, who may have seen bits of the documents/heard what was said that gyms would be the last and it might be October.

However, this morning, there's a lot of debate around personal trainers and exercise outside. Outdoor gyms are already specifically prohibited at the moment. In the coming weeks it will need to be clarified. The gym I used to go to has already said this morning "we aren't a gym". Yes, you are.

Even if at some point they are able to open will they get used?
A small gym with small member numbers may have an easier time convincing people it's safe. The big mass number ones won't find it so easy I stopped going to mine weeks before they had to close because even then with little need for more than basic stuff. It was not a great place to be in. Some shops already open that have a lot less to think about are not exactly convincing on the "your safe in here" idea.

 

[Archie_tect]

It's all downhill from here...no back-pedalling.

 

[tom73]

It's all downhill from here...no back-pedalling.

They look to have hit a pot hole already.

 

[fossyant]

It's all downhill from here...no back-pedalling.

Only if you 'manual' down the hill (wheelie)

 

[Archie_tect]

They look to have hit a pot hole already.

At least someone helpfully marked the pot-hole with a big arrow.

 

[Archie_tect]

Only if you 'manual' down the hill (wheelie)

No show-boating please.

 

[tom73]

At least someone helpfully marked the pot-hole with a big arrow.

oh a work of fiction then

 

[kingrollo]

There are two people who keep on smoothing over everything's going to be all right, keep it simple, duplicating partial and vague chinese whispers of stuff I say, rather confusingly for others, because I'm on their ignore lists.

32,000 Dead in just over 3 months, no vaccine, no cure - its all about opinions of course, however people can smooth over that is beyond me. It already isn't OK imo.
Im trying to think that something must break in our favour - and we will avoid a 2nd wave - but thats just blind hope at the moment.

 

[Rusty Nails]

As of today at least 205 health care workers have died of Covid. See: nursingnotes.com

I am pleased you are fit and healthy and do not fear getting the infection. My wife has two HCP friends who have died of Covid. We know others who have spent time in ICU and even 4 weeks after discharge are unable to go back to work due to post-viral tiredness. Two of these are younger than you and both were audax cyclists. They used to ride 300 mile events. They are currently struggling to cycle round the block.

Your experience is valid for you. It is not the experience of others.

I read somewhere recently that NHS covid-19 related deaths in the UK broadly reflect the national average. I can't remember where I read it but it seems similar to the findings of this report i just found of a few weeks ago:

https://www.hsj.co.uk/exclusive-deaths-of-nhs-staff-from-covid-19-analysed/7027471.article

I must admit to some surprise at this, but I suppose it does reflect the effectiveness of PPE, and good hygiene protocols, when they can get hold of it.

 

[kingrollo]

Furlough extended until October. I didn't expect that.

 

[Rocky]

I read somewhere recently that NHS covid-19 related deaths in the UK broadly reflect the national average. I can't remember where I read it but it seems similar to the findings of this report i just found of a few weeks ago:

https://www.hsj.co.uk/exclusive-deaths-of-nhs-staff-from-covid-19-analysed/7027471.article

I must admit to some surprise at this, but I suppose it does reflect the effectiveness of PPE, and good hygiene protocols, when they can get hold of it.

I think that's probably right - and I certainly don't have the stats to disagree. Our two friends were exposed to Covid through aerosolising procedures before this was recognised as dangerous. One was a GP and the other a general surgeon. Most HCPs understand the risks of getting infected at work but have been surprised by the contagiousness of Covid. Those who have been caring for Covid patients have also experienced death and a very unpleasant dying process of their patients. I suppose the double whammy of infection and psychological trauma has affected quite a number. I don't want to belittle the earlier poster's experiences but was keen to say that there are numbers of HCPs who have had a very different time dealing with the virus.

 

[mjr]

We are all cyclists.

Cycling involves exposure to major hazards potentially resulting in injury or death every time we get on our bikes:
Collisions with other traffic.
Pedestrians.
Mechanical failures
Potholes
etc

Blimey. Why aren't you riding on quieter roads, how vicious are the pedestrians near you and how badly-maintained is your bike if those are major hazards every time you get on your bike?

The only way of being a completely safe cyclist is to lock up and never ride your bike.

Then by definition, you wouldn't be a cyclist, m'lud. And unless you are doing nothing else instead (see past comments about the surge in DIY injuries during lockdown), then you may be less safe. And if you do nothing, inactivity may pose a greater risk than cycling, so you're still not completely safe.

How do we stay acceptably safe?

We STAY ALERT to the hazards, and in doing so minimise our probability of having an accident and thereby keep our risk to an acceptable level.

No, I really don't. I'm sometimes pretty dozy as I cycle along - and a few times not by choice (where picking the bike was also because it makes me less dangerous to others than if I drove). If I've managed the risks by cycling on a well-maintained bike on a nice route and I don't pick fights with walkers, there's not much I need to be alert to - basically, I need to be mildly alert at junctions. I know some people on here are adrenaline junkies who ride in extreme ways and enjoy jousting with motorists, but I really can't be doing with that shoot any more.

Screaming "go on, you can cycle down the A10, just stay alert!" is not a way to get more people cycling more, although it has been the cornerstone of government's approach to cycling for as long as I've been alive. It's a shame if they're going to use the same shoot approach for the covid crisis now.