Coronavirus outbreak

[mjr]

It is, you do server endpoint stubs for those bits. Standard practice in the testing cycle before full integration testing with any centralised software.

What standard contains that, please? And does it say what parameters each json response should contain? Because I'm pretty sure the app acts on at least some of them so it can't be just a dumb stub.

More work than should be necessary but not that hard. Agree lack of technical documentation on how it is meant to work somewhat hinders it though.

At least we agree it's not a beacon of transparency!

 

[Rusty Nails]

The fuss around this new slogan reminds me of how Cadbury spent a fortune on designing a new logo and ended up with a slightly changed font.



I think this new slogan and the fact that it is being made by a speech on national TV rather than via parliament or the regular briefings says a lot about the vanity/self-importance of Johnson and the need to show he is back in charge.

Churchill he ain't.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

What standard contains that, please? And does it say what parameters each json response should contain? Because I'm pretty sure the app acts on at least some of them so it can't be just a dumb stub.


At least we agree it's not a beacon of transparency!

Part of your standard unit testing of a client / server app of course! Stubs are never completely dumb but replicate a set of expected server responses for a limited set of test conditions. Pretty basic stuff. As for the exchange you’d have to examine the source code. Not perfect without automated test scripts. But if the PR is to be believed the app should be doing very little network traffic and pretty basic stuff at that. If it doing more than that , it’s already a red flag.

But there are other concerns as even the current trial in IOW is illegal. The ICO is particularly concerned about the lack of submission to them on privacy and security and authorised uses for the data, that the ICO need to approve

 

[gavgav]

And what are all of these people going to be doing or where will they be going if everything is still shut, offices / workplaces are still closed, they are still furloughed, the guidance still says do not meet with others, the police are still keeping an eye on parks and the legislation is still in place?
I expect they’ll soon bore of B&Q and garden centres.
Cycling, walking, jogging more than once a day?

My point was, how is it enforceable? Who defines a “majority” They aren’t going to be tracking the number of times you leave the house in a week. So regardless if you’ve been out of the house 5 times in a week, or 1 time in a week, how can the police tell you to go home when the message says the majority of the time?

 

[vickster]

My point was, how is it enforceable? Who defines a “majority” They aren’t going to be tracking the number of times you leave the house in a week. So regardless if you’ve been out of the house 5 times in a week, or 1 time in a week, how can the police tell you to go home when the message says the majority of the time?

Would you like everything quantified? I personally like to think most people will be sensible, no one I know would be inclined to take the mick on the basis of semantics.
I’m sure most people not shielding have been out most days if not every day - to exercise as permitted, to shop, to support the vulnerable I certainly have. Being aware of others and staying at least 2m away wherever possible.
There’s been endless discussion about the amount of time spent exercising, posters doing 100km, 100 mile rides, they’re not staying in 24/7. Nor are people still working away from home.

 

[kingrollo]

Would you like everything quantified? I personally like to think most people will be sensible, no one I know would be inclined to take the mick on the basis of semantics.
I’m sure most people not shielding have been out most days if not every day - to exercise as permitted, to shop, to support the vulnerable I certainly have. Being aware of others and staying at least 2m away wherever possible.
There’s been endless discussion about the amount of time spent exercising, posters doing 100km, 100 mile rides, they’re not staying in 24/7. Nor are people still working away from home.

 

[vickster]

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Huh?

 

[kingrollo]

What is the science behind the 2nd wave being more deadly than the first ?

 

[gavgav]

Would you like everything quantified? I personally like to think most people will be sensible, no one I know would be inclined to take the mick on the basis of semantics.
I’m sure most people not shielding have been out most days if not every day - to exercise as permitted, to shop, to support the vulnerable. I certainly have. Being aware of others and staying at least 2m away wherever possible.
There’s been endless discussion about the amount of time spent exercising, posters doing 100km, 100 mile rides, they’re not staying in 24/7

Completely different argument and you still haven’t said how they are going to enforce it, seeing as you’re the expert on this

Would you like everything quantified? I personally like to think most people will be sensible, no one I know would be inclined to take the mick on the basis of semantics.
I’m sure most people not shielding have been out most days if not every day - to exercise as permitted, to shop, to support the vulnerable I certainly have. Being aware of others and staying at least 2m away wherever possible.
There’s been endless discussion about the amount of time spent exercising, posters doing 100km, 100 mile rides, they’re not staying in 24/7. Nor are people still working away from home.

You keep evading the question, how is it enforceable?

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Personally if anything is said on exercise I don’t think it will change what you can do in England. I just think it will allow people to go out on 100km rides etc without others going tut tut because it’s more than an hour (which has never been the guidance anyway).

 

[vickster]

Completely different argument and you still haven’t said how they are going to enforce it, seeing as you’re the expert on this

You keep evading the question, how is it enforceable?

Why does it need to be enforced? What needs to be enforced?
I simply believe that most people will continue to be sensible and following the guidance once the details are given just as the vast majority have been doing so up to now. There may be nothing needing to be enforced.
Those who have been breaking the rules will continue to do so.
It’s text on an infographic nor official guidance or statute.
Maybe the people you know have rather more disregard for what they are asked to do than those I do?

 

[gavgav]

Why does it need to be enforced? What needs to be enforced?
I simply believe that most people will continue to be sensible and following the guidance once the details are given just as the vast majority have been doing so up to now. There may be nothing needing to be enforced.
Those who have been breaking the rules will continue to do so.
It’s text on an infographic nor official guidance or statute.
Maybe the people you know have rather more disregard for what they are asked to do than those I do?

I don’t know them, thanks very much, but there has been plenty of evidence (traffic noise nearby, police messages on Twitter, etc) over this weekend that people have not been abiding by the rules and I put that down to the leaked messages, exacerbated by the newspapers, suggesting lockdown is easing. Personally, if It was me, I’d have made sure my government didn’t leak messages and I’d have waited until I’d made the address to the nation, to give the meat on the bones, before releasing the new slogan.

And on that note, over and out

 

[matticus]

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You keep evading the question, how is it enforceable?

I don't want to stick my oar in too far here, but the only enforceable thing NOW is The Law - we spend a lot of time debating guidelines, and we don't know what/which will be changed in tonight's announcement.

 

[vickster]

I said earlier I don’t look at anything other than the headlines on the BBC.
Certainly not Twitter or newspapers.
What messages have been leaked?
I’ve not seen the news today, so nothing more to say

 

[kingrollo]

Why does it need to be enforced? What needs to be enforced?
I simply believe that most people will continue to be sensible and following the guidance once the details are given just as the vast majority have been doing so up to now. There may be nothing needing to be enforced.
Those who have been breaking the rules will continue to do so.
It’s text on an infographic nor official guidance or statute.
Maybe the people you know have rather more disregard for what they are asked to do than those I do?

Why does it need to be enforced ? ..... seriously ???