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One thing's for sure, we need to take a long hard look at the NHS when this is all over. How the hell some hospitals can report no issues with PPE whatsoever whilst other ones are ripping up bin bags to wear isn't anything to do with government, it's to do with rank incompetence by some NHS managers. As a whole, the NHS has performed magnificently but some parts appear to have really screwed the pooch.

We also need to look at care homes. Again, some have been terrible but a lot of them have coped well, have zero infections and no issues. They don't make the news though.

As for the care homes that are increasing charges to residents to cover the costs of PPE...
It's a huge, centralised, bureaucratic monolith, that resists change. It is amazing that it achieves what it does.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
[...] whilst other ones are ripping up bin bags to wear isn't anything to do with government, it's to do with rank incompetence by some NHS managers. [...]
How can mismanagement be nothing to do with government? The government manages the top layer of managers! The government decides to let managers carry on failing instead of sending in the military. The government stands idly by and fires more workers into the herd immunity plan.
 

glasgowcyclist

Charming but somewhat feckless
Location
Scotland
I've been working at my office throughout the lockdown and traffic this week is easily double what it was the week before, which was about double that of the previous week. Where I was once probably one of 60 cars that I would see throughout my entire journey, I now have a full lane of traffic ahead and behind me on the motorway for as far as I can see.

I don't know why this is happening.
 

Joey Shabadoo

My pronouns are "He", "Him" and "buggerlugs"
I've been working at my office throughout the lockdown and traffic this week is easily double what it was the week before, which was about double that of the previous week. Where I was once probably one of 60 cars that I would see throughout my entire journey, I now have a full lane of traffic ahead and behind me on the motorway for as far as I can see.

I don't know why this is happening.

Sturgeon can stand up and say what she likes, it's being ignored. I saw more masks being worn in the supermarket before she said people should be wearing them indoors. Traffic is up again today, noticeably so. My 10 mile loop in the mornings finishes on a main road. For the last few weeks I haven't had to slow down to join it as there's been little to no traffic. Today I had to stop and wait for a gap in traffic, as pedestrians brushed by me on either side. I saw a team of roofers tiling a roof - 3 of them, zero distancing and zero PPE. Salesmen working inside Arnold Clark showrooms and busy petrol stations.
 

Unkraut

Master of the Inane Comment
Location
Germany
More info on the hotspot study made about a month ago. This indicates that about 22% of people infected show no symptoms or are so slight they basically ignore them. Where one member of a family becomes infected there is on average about a 15% chance of other members also being infected. This is significantly higher where there are just two in the household, and surprisingly lower with families of 4. In this regard the corona virus is acting like many other viruses and bugs that have been investigated. The death rate from this study is 0.37%, but this if significantly different depending on age - I think that has been general knowledge for ages though.

The latest RO rate for Baden-Württemberg, one of the three worst hit states in Germany, is currently 0.65, which may well account for the willingness to lift many of the current restrictions.
 

marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
The latest RO rate for Baden-Württemberg, one of the three worst hit states in Germany, is currently 0.65, which may well account for the willingness to lift many of the current restrictions.

Interesting. Imperial have said for a while that uk wide they believe it is 0.7, but the public think it's too early to lift a lot of restrictions. Vallance said it's between 0.6 and 0.9. It's since been disclosed on tv that for Scotland it is 0.9.
 
Interesting. Imperial have said for a while that uk wide they believe it is 0.7, but the public think it's too early to lift a lot of restrictions. Vallance said it's between 0.6 and 0.9. It's since been disclosed on tv that for Scotland it is 0.9.

You may be right there: there's been a slight increase in infections and deaths in Germany for the last two days: the rate was slowing before.
 

Pat "5mph"

A kilogrammicaly challenged woman
Moderator
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Glasgow
I'm furlonged, so I'm doing some charity/community volunteering.
Being in the community is giving me stress: elderly that go on shopping journeys for the sake of it, in spite of having support, even lying to their family members about staying in.
Masks and gloves put in pockets, on the neck, reused, all sorts ...
Visiting between different households, social distance not observed.
Slowly but surely catering outlets are reopening, for take away and deliveries, causing the inevitable assemblies on the pavement.
How are staff in small shops/kitchens/counters social distancing from each other?
I fear here in Scotland we are going to have a surge of the virus.
 

Joey Shabadoo

My pronouns are "He", "Him" and "buggerlugs"
I'm furlonged, so I'm doing some charity/community volunteering.
Being in the community is giving me stress: elderly that go on shopping journeys for the sake of it, in spite of having support, even lying to their family members about staying in.
Masks and gloves put in pockets, on the neck, reused, all sorts ...
Visiting between different households, social distance not observed.
Slowly but surely catering outlets are reopening, for take away and deliveries, causing the inevitable assemblies on the pavement.
How are staff in small shops/kitchens/counters social distancing from each other?
I fear here in Scotland we are going to have a surge of the virus.
I think so too. I've commented a few times about my neighbour - an elderly, frail lady - being visited repeatedly by various family members every day, even having a party at one point. What's stayed my hand about reporting them is apparently people with a short life expectancy are "excused" shielding. To be fair, she's visibly poorer as the weeks have gone by so it could be her family are determined to be with her near the end.

My wife noticed someone on the neighbourhood app she's part of asking if someone should call the police at the large numbers of people coming and going from the house, but the post was quickly taken down again. So others are noticing it as well.
 

Pat "5mph"

A kilogrammicaly challenged woman
Moderator
Location
Glasgow
Some people just don't get it: like, my neighborg upstairs, his colleague (both college teachers) lost her father, mother in law, father in law to the virus a couple of weeks ago.
He went to the funerals.
And yet, said colleague came visit, they spoke face to face for half an hour.
Elderly couple down the road (both over 80) has family support to bring them anything they want, plus me for bits and pieces should they need.
And yet, the both of them go queuing to the shops, they say they don't care if they catch the corona.
Why have I lost my job???
 

Joey Shabadoo

My pronouns are "He", "Him" and "buggerlugs"
There's arguably profiteering going on too. Mrs S orders online so usually gets the same stuff or similar every week. Our weekly grocery bill from Tesco has been £80-90 for months. Since lockdown, it's risen to over £120. I was looking at a workstand for the bike on Amazon before the lockdown and saw a basic model at £32 so put it in my "maybe" list. Checked it yesterday and it's £45.
 
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