deptfordmarmoset
Full time tea drinker
- Location
- Armonmy Way
2 of the 3 highest per capita deaths countries don't figure on that list. San Marino and Andorra have presumably been incorporated into Spain and Italy's figures.
Page may contain affiliate links. Please see terms for details.
Andy in Germany
Guru
- Location
- Rottenburg am Neckar
Underfunding the health service for ten years hasn't helped, nor has taking away social security because that means the general health of the population will decrease, along with immunity. This is partly because people's immunity goes down when they can't eat properly and have no access to hot water, or their apartment is cold all winter. It is also because people struggling to survive normally, and there a lot of them, are psychologically under a lot of pressure, which also affects immunity.
On top of this, people incapable of independently maintaining a daily routine, diet, personal hygiene et c either permanently or for because of illness, aren't getting the assistance in this they require.
Turns out that when you gut the social security and health system to follow a political agenda there are consequences.
Last edited:
gavroche
Getting old but not past it
- Location
- North Wales
That's the problem with statistics, they can interpret them anyway you like and whatever suits you.
Beebo
Firm and Fruity
- Location
- Hexleybeef
I’d like to see someone attempt to spin it positively.
We are an island nation who had a two week head start on Italy.
Andy in Germany
Guru
- Location
- Rottenburg am Neckar
Good question: is the UK still only recording hospital deaths? I thought they now included care homes but I'm not sure.
vickster
Legendary Member
All deaths from CV19 now
Andy in Germany
Guru
- Location
- Rottenburg am Neckar
How do we know oif not everyone with symptoms has been tested?
No it's all being recorded
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths
vickster
Legendary Member
You’ll never know for sure what caused the death. They’re testing people in hospitals and care homes as far as I understand. Difference between died with Vs due to (another metric that needs to be comparable)
Example - lots of men die with prostate cancer, in far fewer it’s the (primary) cause of death
kingrollo
Guru
That's all true - but the headline fact remains IMO.Exactly same stats being compared?
There are ~20m more people in the UK compared to Spain and around 7m more than Italy - need to compare taking population into account ideally (and count in the exact same way).
Also need to understand the impact of gender, ethnicity, genetics, morbidity on deaths and how countries look in terms of these measures. Lots of numbers for epidemiologists to look at once the outbreak is over for sure!
And it's far from over it seems
NOS figures are deaths registered where “COVID-19” is mentioned on death certificates.
DOHS figures are deaths from ones tested positive for COVID-19
kingrollo
Guru
Seen the same the weekend.
Joey Shabadoo
My pronouns are "He", "Him" and "buggerlugs"
Apparently Italy's stats don't include care home deaths.
Regardless of which, it's not some kind of death league with macabre cheerleaders whooping as nations move up and down the table. It's a global crisis.
Regardless of which, it's not some kind of death league with macabre cheerleaders whooping as nations move up and down the table. It's a global crisis.
lane
Veteran
Now even more people and vans. Employers won't bother about social distancing. Just risk assessment and "as far as reasonable practicable". Employees won't bother either same as H&S.
