Coronavirus outbreak

[Eziemnaik]

Because one of the authors of the report did indeed claim peak infections occured before the lockdown

 

[tom73]

As @glasgowcyclist points out the day is already in place. But not generally known and marked by most of the population.
Which is why the RCN, RCM and unison thought it was appropriate to raise awareness of the day and ask that it was used to mark the death of key workers at this time.
It had nothing to do with trying to hide anything the government did not exactly make a big deal of it. No big formal public statement in fact it was only late yesterday that they even said they back it and even then on the QT.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Because one of the authors of the report did indeed claim peak infections occured before the lockdown

Maybe. But not in that "report". Why is the report relevant?

 

[PK99]

"According to the model, if a country adopts a policy of social distancing as much as possible, including at work; 14 days self-quarantine of every person with symptoms such as fever or cough; testing all individuals with symptoms; and hygiene measures including facemasks in public places, then in most cases there is no need for a lockdown."

Wasn't that based on testing all individuals with symptoms though? Which we aren't doing. It also supposes that everyone follows the lockdown rules, which we as a country aren't doing either. I'm not claiming to be an armchair expert, but models can be extremely good providing that they take into account sociological discrepancies such as people still bending the rules to suit them?

All models rely on the assumptions made and data fed in. I would guess that the models will be run with different sets of each to determine sensitivity.

 

[tom73]

Face covering now recommend in Scotland
https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-public-use-of-face-coverings/

 

[mjr]

It's an international memorial to honour everyone who's been killed at their work or through work-related activity and has been observed on 28 April for years. It's not specific to Covid-19.

Oh OK. That's not how it was reported on BBC News and I have no recollection of seeing May or Cameron observing it in recent years.

So I reduce my cynicism to just being that UK ministers observing it is an attempt to bury the ONS data release.

 

[Eziemnaik]

Maybe. But not in that "report". Why is the report relevant?

Because it highlights the futility of the lockdown?

 

[tom73]

Look's like Sturgeon has been taking advice for CNO and used the same reply to as to the numbers of healthcare staff who have sadly died.
Individual numbers may lead to families being identified. Is Code for I don't know just own up and say so just like the CNO that reply is so patronising.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Because it highlights the futility of the lockdown?

So what? The claim was that an "Oxford Uni Report" showed cases peaked before lockdown. If that report exists, this isn't it.

 

[Salty seadog]

Government I.T. projects famously always deliver the exact brief on time and under budget and without any crippling technical issues, I foresee no problems whatsoever

Fast forward two weeks

What do you mean the database has been hacked and the precise location history of every person who has installed it is available on the dark web?
I cannot see how anyone could have possibly foreseen such a thing. Lessons will be learned from this, we assure you. There must be an inquiry.

Fast forward two weeks

So, about that Russia report... sorry, Larry the Downing Street cat ate it

There's a Russia Report?

 

[Levo-Lon]

Have you enough in stock to change them over the course of a day or is it one for all day?

No, and I just had a chat with the manager about that.
We don't have enough.
I've got 6, one a day.

 

[Yellow Fang]

Got to say that if Germany gets a B and South Korea gets an A it is difficult to give the British government more than a C, although they deserve more than an E.

 

[Tanis8472]

Does anyone else feel that the minute's silence part way through this crisis is a bit premature and wonder whether it's Dom's latest distraction from today's ONS stats release? The pictures of ministers standing around for the silence made me think I'd rather they spent even that minute working on sorting out the PPE shortages. Respect is great but will it save lives?

https://www.tuc.org.uk/international-workers-memorial-day-iwmd

Every year more people are killed at work than in wars. Most don't die of mystery ailments, or in tragic "accidents". They die because an employer decided their safety just wasn't that important a priority. International Workers’ Memorial Day (IWMD) commemorates those workers.

I find it distasteful.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Got to say that if Germany gets a B and South Korea gets an A it is difficult to give the British government more than a C, although they deserve more than an E.

The UK is on track to have the worst outbreak in a major country, despite having more time than others.

I'd say that a D would be very generous.

Can you think of a single country that has done worse?

[Edit: except perhaps China which in its initial dictatorial cover up probably missed the chance to nip the whole thing in the bud]

 

[mjr]

Because one of the authors of the report did indeed claim peak infections occured before the lockdown

To be clear, the non-statistician author of the report is reported by the famously-unreliable Daily Mail to have claimed that.

There's also a much later report available than the one you linked, https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-death-data-in-england-update-27th-april/ but I guess one-peakers don't like that because the peak claim has been moved down the page to reduce its importance.