Coronavirus outbreak

[tom73]

Just seen on the news a report about a daughter who was able to go to hospital and say goodbye to her dad who died of Covid.
She provided she used PPE. She bought her own of the internet.
She was shocked to see her's was better than the staff. One Nurse even asked her which site she got them from.
This has gone past a joke.

 

[Rocky]

Why do we need to fly people in, we have tens of thousands sitting at home?

I think it’s like a lot of the other problems.....there is sufficient PPE across the country but it’s just in the wrong place. I’m beginning to think that we need the army to take over the logistics of this.

 

[Mo1959]

Why do we need to fly people in, we have tens of thousands sitting at home?

Just reading a conversation on Facebook about it and the general consensus is that the uk workforce now appear to think this is too menial for them! You would think if they are desperate for some income they would consider anything.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Why do we need to fly people in, we have tens of thousands sitting at home?

From a pool of about 17.4 million it’s amazing that there’s nobody clamouring to get their jobs back.

 

[tom73]

I think it’s like a lot of the other problems.....there is sufficient PPE across the country but it’s just in the wrong place. I’m beginning to think that we need the army to take over the logistics of this.

What and admit they need help it's the one plan Hancock's appears not to have.

 

[kingrollo]

Badge - Check
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Tests - Some
Vaccine - None

 

[slowmotion]

What and admit they need help it's the one plan Hancock's appears not to have.

I don't think it's politicians who procure equipment for the NHS. Isn't it the NHS or the Department of Health? Can somebody tell us?

 

[kingrollo]

I don't think it's politicians who procure equipment for the NHS. Isn't it the NHS or the Department of Health? Can somebody tell us?

A bit like saying its not politicians who fight wars its soldiers.

In the NHS, governments pass legislation which creates a framework that hospitals operate in - broadly speaking hospitals have income (consulations, Surgery, etc) - and they have outgoings (Drugs, equipment, wages,) - Hospitals were seen as good if they could show a surplus - and poor (special measures) if they racked a defict.

Like most organisations they run stock control on JIT - just as the surge in bog roll sales lead to shortages - then the surge in PPE use - has created shortages - I assume these shortages got so severe that the govt did step in to 'help'

 

[slowmotion]

A bit like saying its not politicians who fight wars its soldiers.

In the NHS, governments pass legislation which creates a framework that hospitals operate in - broadly speaking hospitals have income (consulations, Surgery, etc) - and they have outgoings (Drugs, equipment, wages,) - Hospitals were seen as good if they could show a surplus - and poor (special measures) if they racked a defict.

Like most organisations they run stock control on JIT - just as the surge in bog roll sales lead to shortages - then the surge in PPE use - has created shortages - I assume these shortages got so severe that the govt did step in to 'help'

I think that NHS Supply Chain deals with procurement.

https://www.supplychain.nhs.uk/about-us/

I imagine that the politicians just hand over money and don't have any hands-on involvement. I won't bother getting into an argument about whether NHS Supply Chain has been given enough money because I don't know.

 

[tom73]

I don't think it's politicians who procure equipment for the NHS. Isn't it the NHS or the Department of Health? Can somebody tell us?

It was politicians who messed up NHS logistics when Blair offloaded it to the private sector.
In normal times hospitals order equipment it's true but in the current situation the government are overseeing supply.
Hence why Hancock came out with his new 3 part plan.
That appears to hair turned into Look, Duck and Vanish.

 

[Tanis8472]

A bit like saying its not politicians who fight wars its soldiers.

In the NHS, governments pass legislation which creates a framework that hospitals operate in - broadly speaking hospitals have income (consulations, Surgery, etc) - and they have outgoings (Drugs, equipment, wages,) - Hospitals were seen as good if they could show a surplus - and poor (special measures) if they racked a defict.

Like most organisations they run stock control on JIT - just as the surge in bog roll sales lead to shortages - then the surge in PPE use - has created shortages - I assume these shortages got so severe that the govt did step in to 'help'

We have to hide some ppe that comes in so that we can supply care homes etc.
Some 'personal ' shoppers are trying to buy cases of 1000 gloves. daffodils.

 

[lane]

Just reading a conversation on Facebook about it and the general consensus is that the uk workforce now appear to think this is too menial for them! You would think if they are desperate for some income they would consider anything.

I posted earlier UK workers searching for farm work up 6,000%

 

[Andy in Germany]

Channel 4 documentary comparing the UK's response to Germany:

 

[Mo1959]

I posted earlier UK workers searching for farm work up 6,000%

Funny you should say that. I’ve just read a comment from a guy saying he knows of at least ten people that have applied but not even received a reply. Maybe they prefer foreign workers? Faster, more skilled?

 

[Andy in Germany]

They'd probability be the wrong voltage and arrive with the wrong plug.

Oh, no, they'll be superior Bwitish plugs and non of that European nonsense.

Just reading a conversation on Facebook about it and the general consensus is that the uk workforce now appear to think this is too menial for them! You would think if they are desperate for some income they would consider anything.

That may be the Farcebook consensus but is it accurate? There could be other issues. If I was looking for work in central Birmingham for example, fruit picking wouldn't be a likely option no matter how desperate I was.

We also need to remember that the people being accused of not really looking for work looking for work will include a number who have been declared "fit for work" by someone ticking a box, but who are unable to stand, squat or move in the way required, or to stay in one place for the full eight hours needed et c, et c...