Coronavirus outbreak

[Yellow Fang]

Interesting paper here. If it's a fake it's a good one.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Cleaning would be good, there is a guy at my work , he`s been wearing the same disposable face mask for the last two weeks . The same guy who thought it was OK to wash his false teeth in the drinks fountain . Yep standards eh !

 

[Archie_tect]

Criticism is growing and can't be swept away by the Government's PR machine.

 

[marinyork]

Why does PPE have to be single use? Can't it be steam cleaned or disinfected?

FFP3 masks stop working to full protection when they get moist - this is due to it using electrostatic forces crudely. This is the thing about banging on about the public wearing masks. In Italy there was mass wearing of FFP3 and reusing them day after day hour after hour.

There are also the issues of contamination outlined when putting on/off. The virus will be literally everywhere in a covid-19 ward.

PPE in a specialist hospital in Italy

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...l-where-no-medics-have-been-infected-11966344 (you can watch the video). Infection rates of staff are allegedly zero due to different practices of handling the virus, far more robust PPE and having a testing lab next door.

 

[Tanis8472]

There seems to be a large difference between uk flights to China and German ones.
I'm guessing they are flights collecting ppe etc.

 

[marinyork]

Criticism is growing and can't be swept away by the Government's PR machine.

Not a bit of it.

Latest government PR https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52289607

Promising all care home residents and workers with symptoms will be tested. That one seems premature.

 

[tom73]

Why does PPE have to be single use? Can't it be steam cleaned or disinfected?

Would you like to try it ?
Mask's simply stop working after a relative short period of time even in normal situations.
Never mind when in highly infectious situations.
Gowns can be but only the multi use ones. Which we don't have enough of given the increased use at the moment.
By the time you've sent stuff of to sterile services and got them turned round it would take way to long.
They simply are not geared up to the volume being used at the moment.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

Not a bit of it.

Latest government PR https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52289607

Promising all care home residents and workers with symptoms will be tested. That one seems premature.

I wonder what Hancock's partner makes of his Unkeepable Promise Compulsion Disorder.

 

[screenman]

I thought that a properly worn mask can help protect the user, but also protect those around them, if you sneeze or cough with a mask on the droplets will not carry far. I believe some countries are not letting you in a shop without a mask on for that reason, certainly my lad in France is getting the message that when released masks will be a must. Happily corrected if I am wrong.

 

[Saluki]

Furlongs are even better!

But shorter. 2 furlong radius is not worth getting changed for.

 

[Cuchilo]

Lots of planes taking off from Heathrow over the last few days . When i say lots , not as many as normal ! Two American airways and a Virgin Atlantic in the last half hour .

 

[mjr]

News from rtbf Belgium: care home quarantined in attempt to avoid covid19, more mask debate, French lockdown extended, border controls with France €250 fine for non-essential travel, independent businesses protesting lack of support (pic), tax filing deadlines extended, Liege airport becomes WHO hub (pic), summer holiday industry worried by inconsistent lockdown ends, Austria beginning unlocking, forest fire at Chernobyl, L'Oréal making alcohol gel at Libramont, volunteers harvesting asparagus and beets, Tour de France postponed first time since 1946 (pic)

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Just had an absolutely mind blowing conversation with a Swedish colleague.

She's working from home, but only because her daughter is off school sick with a persistent dry cough for the last 10 days. As with the UK, she will only be tested if she is admitted to hospital.

Her son, meanwhile, rather than being quarantined, is obliged to attend school as he is asymptomatic, and she would be breaking the law if she kept him at home!

 

[mjr]

I thought that a properly worn mask can help protect the user, but also protect those around them, if you sneeze or cough with a mask on the droplets will not carry far. I believe some countries are not letting you in a shop without a mask on for that reason, certainly my lad in France is getting the message that when released masks will be a must. Happily corrected if I am wrong.

There are masks and there are masks. Even a fairly simple cloth mask washed daily will reduce the range and transmission of coughed droplets. It's all a question of cost-benefit and getting each type of mask to the places where they help most. I posted one news report of effectiveness by type earlier in this thread at https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/coronavirus-outbreak.256913/post-5951635

 

[mjr]

Just had an absolutely mind blowing conversation with a Swedish colleague.

She's working from home, but only because her daughter is off school sick with a persistent dry cough for the last 10 days. As with the UK, she will only be tested if she is admitted to hospital.

Her son, meanwhile, rather than being quarantined, is obliged to attend school as he is asymptomatic, and she would be breaking the law if she kept him at home!

These sorts of subtle stupidities may well explain the difference between Sweden and its neighbours more than the different approach to lockdown severity. As far as I can tell, in Denmark, such a worker with close contact with an infected person would be instructed to work at home until they get a medical exam and schools are currently closed anyway.