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Ming the Merciless

There is no mercy
Location
Inside my skull
Once again those pesky Germans are interfering in the UK, this time by sending the UK 60 ventilators free of charge.

I have a sneaky suspicion this won't be well reported in the UK so I thought I'd post it here.

I would still love to know why Germany‘s death rates are staying low in absolute numbers in comparison. Are patients being admitted earlier, is the treatment slightly different to here?

I have loved seeing the way Germany has taken patients from neighbouring countries.
 

alicat

Squire
Location
Staffs
Your link just takes me to start of this thread. Much as I’d like to get stuck in an infinite ground hog day search...🤔

You were right and it's fixed now, @YukonBoy . Thanks for pointing it out.
 

tom73

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
Nice big figures look good but really still not great maybe last 2 days at best and that'd being kind.
Are gloves single or pairs ? they've a history of saying on but meaning the other.
If they mean NHS as a whole than they won't even notice it.
 
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Julia9054

Guru
Location
Knaresborough
There is a poster here who has said they have anxiety and I was talking to them. You do actually know this :sad:.
Do I? I must have missed that part of the conversation. All I saw was someone asking if anyone with asthma on cyclechat had had a shielding letter. And an answer from you discussing health anxiety.
A couple of pages ago I mentioned that I didn’t learn anything new from a Guardian podcast about asthma. Again, a reply from you referencing health anxiety.
You are obviously a mental health professional and therefore working with people who have mental health issues. This obviously gives you a certain perspective but does not mean that all people with chronic conditions are also suffering with their mental health.
 
On the health anxiety in terms of asthma my advice would be to talk to people about it privately :smile:. Health anxiety is something which is being talked about an awful lot at the moment in the volunteering I do. I know some people with very high levels of health anxiety normally and they say they aren't really affected by covid-19, I've met a lot of others with OCD and GAD who are pretty worried and showing health anxiety-like symptoms.

I know a lot of people with asthma. I've only heard of one that has the letter. This doesn't actually surprise me in the slightest (5.4 million people in the UK have the condition which completely dwarfs the 1.5 million letters - source PSNC), but I know saying that is likely I get punched by you and other people on here who are understandably worried. Emotions/tempers/worries flaring up massively for some of those people. One is still raging against the world, but especially the GP after having not got a letter and trying to register and it being declined by the GP. Despite writing some time later, they are still having a lot of problems with deliveries. Some other people I know have been reassured that they haven't got a letter.

Yes, I believe one person on here has a letter for asthma (as a precaution, as outlined by Dr Harries DCMO).

P.S. I can quote some stuff about asthma to put it in context even though you have asked before, however, for two posters I simply think that would be unhelpful and counterproductive, so I haven't done it.
Well I do suffer with mild depression and anxiety. My son also has asthma and a couple of years back was so ill with flu he was couching up blood and couldn't even swallow water - he lost 2st over 3 weeks - he was 21 at the time.
So yes I worry about him.

Myself I take a whole bunch of inhalers - but a lot this was because although I was a reasonably fit cyclist - I got wheezy on the climbs and my peak flow was down to 300 - with the inhalers I am now on its up to 450 and I feel much better.

My inhalers put me in the high risk group - I don't think that is correct I haven't had an asthma attack since I was about 9 .....56 now. Although I had asthma terrible as a kid - laughing would bring an attack on ! - inhalers were a god send.

So sensibly I think going out for a ride would do more good than harm - but the sheilding advice is to stay indoors.

The ashtma UK website did grade you by inhaler and put me in the top group - but that section has now been taken down - so I don't really know where I am. !!!!
 

Julia9054

Guru
Location
Knaresborough
Well I do suffer with mild depression and anxiety. My son also has asthma and a couple of years back was so ill with flu he was couching up blood and couldn't even swallow water - he lost 2st over 3 weeks - he was 21 at the time.
So yes I worry about him.

Myself I take a whole bunch of inhalers - but a lot this was because although I was a reasonably fit cyclist - I got wheezy on the climbs and my peak flow was down to 300 - with the inhalers I am now on its up to 450 and I feel much better.

My inhalers put me in the high risk group - I don't think that is correct I haven't had an asthma attack since I was about 9 .....56 now. Although I had asthma terrible as a kid - laughing would bring an attack on ! - inhalers were a god send.

So sensibly I think going out for a ride would do more good than harm - but the sheilding advice is to stay indoors.

The ashtma UK website did grade you by inhaler and put me in the top group - but that section has now been taken down - so I don't really know where I am. !!!!
Your asthma history sounds similar to mine. I spent more time off school than actually there until about the age of 13 (though my worst time was in my late teens after leaving home where I was hospitalised a couple of times. I was young, stupid and not taking my condition seriously.)
In your situation, I would keep riding as it is pretty easy to avoid other people. Not sure what happened to the big inhaler list! Perhaps have a chat with your GP about your personal circumstances. I found that helpful (she rang me about something else and it seemed like a good opportunity) The shielding letters were initially sent out centrally with a second wave of letters from GPs trawling their records.
 
Just a snippet for the people arguing that Sweden's "success" means the lockdown here is unnecessary

In an open letter, a group of 22 doctors, virologists and researchers from Sweden’s top hospitals, universities and research institutes pointed write:



https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...082a2cd32a6a1d#block-5e95dbf68f082a2cd32a6a1d

114 deaths in Sweden taking them over 1000 - they have ~10 million population, and have very roughly half the per capita deaths we do, but many times more than other Scandi countries.
The Swedish rules on Corona virus

Gatherings over 50 not allowed

Schools and universities closed

They have a big WFH culture anyway.

The idea that life goes on a normal in Sweden is IMO a false on. There guidance is to far off the UK.
 

roubaixtuesday

self serving virtue signaller
Indeed so. They're doing better than the UK but worse than their neighbours. Interestingly, they aren't doing so much worse than their neighbours in absolute cases, but they are in deaths per capita. Attached two graphs exploring the numbers.

Case data can't really be used to compare countries. It's as much reflective of testing rates as it is of infection rates.
 
Your asthma history sounds similar to mine. I spent more time off school than actually there until about the age of 13 (though my worst time was in my late teens after leaving home where I was hospitalised a couple of times. I was young, stupid and not taking my condition seriously.)
In your situation, I would keep riding as it is pretty easy to avoid other people. Not sure what happened to the big inhaler list! Perhaps have a chat with your GP about your personal circumstances. I found that helpful (she rang me about something else and it seemed like a good opportunity) The shielding letters were initially sent out centrally with a second wave of letters from GPs trawling their records.
GP said that as I was on tiotrpuim - I was in the high risk group and the sheilding guide lines applied. ....but still no letter.
 

roubaixtuesday

self serving virtue signaller
I would still love to know why Germany‘s death rates are staying low in absolute numbers in comparison. Are patients being admitted earlier, is the treatment slightly different to here?

I have loved seeing the way Germany has taken patients from neighbouring countries.

Differences in absolute death rates seem generally to be down to two things:

1) when and how strictly social distancing rules were implemented

2) how extensive a test and trace policy is implemented.

Germany is way better on (2) than us. I'm not sure about (1), but they probably got that right too. They normally behave very sensibly.
 

Unkraut

Master of the Inane Comment
Location
Germany
I would still love to know why Germany‘s death rates are staying low in absolute numbers in comparison.
I don't think you can just compare countries' totals figures. The unknown figure is how many infections are there in the population as a whole, if this were known it might be that the death rate would not differ quite so much from country to country. The totals will also differ according to how many care homes for the elderly have suffered from infection. When this happens it can sadly rapidly raise the total of deaths.
Are patients being admitted earlier, is the treatment slightly different to here?
Don't think I mentioned it earlier, but in Heidelberg they have introduced the 'Covid taxi service'. Doctors with all the gear on visit patients who have tested positive after about 5 or 6 days, do a blood test from which they can tell if the disease is going to rapidly deteriorate. If this proves to be the case then the patient is admitted to hospital straight away so they can help them overcome it as best as possible. Whether this is also now being done elsewhere I don't know, but I would assume that would be the goal.
 
I would still love to know why Germany‘s death rates are staying low in absolute numbers in comparison. Are patients being admitted earlier, is the treatment slightly different to here?

I suspect the two are related: by testing anyone with a cough Germany is catching the disease in its early stages in many more cases. This means the patient is admitted sooner and many cases this helps achieve a positive outcome.

This is in keeping with the very proactive approach the German state-run health insurers have towards healthcare: they take the attitude that prevention is cheaper than cure, and it means you don't have to take time off work, so they fund prevention measures to save money.

This is applied elsewhere as well: the reason psychological assistance is funded is that they realise it's cheaper than waiting for hospitals and the emergency services to deal with the fallout.

I have loved seeing the way Germany has taken patients from neighbouring countries.

I must admit I felt a stab of pride for my adopted country when that was reported.
 
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Differences in absolute death rates seem generally to be down to two things:

1) when and how strictly social distancing rules were implemented

2) how extensive a test and trace policy is implemented.

Germany is way better on (2) than us. I'm not sure about (1), but they probably got that right too. They normally behave very sensibly.
And we eat more doughnuts in the UK !
 
Differences in absolute death rates seem generally to be down to two things:

1) when and how strictly social distancing rules were implemented

2) how extensive a test and trace policy is implemented.

Germany is way better on (2) than us. I'm not sure about (1), but they probably got that right too. They normally behave very sensibly.

My impression on (1) is that people take it seriously and are keeping a distance from each other.
 
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