Coronavirus outbreak

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Surprisingly IMO - Spain and Italy look set to ease their lockdowns - I get the feeling will be quicker to follow them in easing - than we were putting the lockdown in ?
 

BoldonLad

Not part of the Elite
Location
South Tyneside

That is a shame. Mrs @BoldonLad has been drinking copious quantities of gin and tonic, for the past two weeks, for the Quinine, of course. ;)
 

Joey Shabadoo

My pronouns are "He", "Him" and "buggerlugs"
It's not about Boris Johnson, it's about the Prime Minister. Whoever he/she is, their residences are 10 Downing Street and Chequers where there are security arrangements in place and facilities to carry out the job of leading government.

Can't help but think that it's blind hatred of the man that's driving the criticism. Were Sir Keir Starmer PM in similar circumstances, exactly the same arrangements would apply.
 

roubaixtuesday

self serving virtue signaller
In other good news new cases and deaths are falling in Sweden for the 3rd consecutive day despite lack of lockdown😊

Again, you provide an unreferenced claim. Please provide references.

Is this relating to today's figures (not yet on the official website https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa ) or yesterday's figures?

Here are the figures up to and including yesterday from worldometers

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To claim this is falling for the third consecutive day, whilst literally true, is obviously misleading - it's very clear from the data that numbers reported at weekends are massively lower than during the week, and that depending on Easter weekend reporting, there will surely be increases today or tomorrow.

Per capita numbers in Sweden are far higher than the adjacent Dennmark and Norway. In those countries, the outbreak has much more clearly peaked. Norway has about half the population but eight times less deaths.
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/norway/

(the positive test data is more compelling still)

We will see where it ends. In the meantime, do try to present the data more objectively.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
It's not about Boris Johnson, it's about the Prime Minister. Whoever he/she is, their residences are 10 Downing Street and Chequers where there are security arrangements in place and facilities to carry out the job of leading government.

Can't help but think that it's blind hatred of the man that's driving the criticism. Were Sir Keir Starmer PM in similar circumstances, exactly the same arrangements would apply.
If PM Kier Starmer dropped a clanger like moving to his second home in the same scenario, I'd be making the same criticism.

Given his weakened state, this is probably the fault of his advisers rather than Boris personally, although he probably appointed those advisers so maybe it is fair to blame him.
 

Rocky

Hello decadence
It's not about Boris Johnson, it's about the Prime Minister. Whoever he/she is, their residences are 10 Downing Street and Chequers where there are security arrangements in place and facilities to carry out the job of leading government.

Can't help but think that it's blind hatred of the man that's driving the criticism. Were Sir Keir Starmer PM in similar circumstances, exactly the same arrangements would apply.
Let's start from the standpoint that (i) Boris is still very ill and is unlikely to be leading government any time soon - he was in Intensive Care up until a couple of days ago (ii) he still might be infectious and could pass on the virus to someone at Chequers - who could then transmit it to vulnerable people in the Bucks communities. I don't care who we are talking about - he or she has a responsibility not to infect people in other communities. Leadership is about setting an example.
 

Joey Shabadoo

My pronouns are "He", "Him" and "buggerlugs"
Let's start from the standpoint that (i) Boris is still very ill and is unlikely to be leading government any time soon - he was in Intensive Care up until a couple of days ago (ii) he still might be infectious and could pass on the virus to someone at Chequers - who could then transmit it to vulnerable people in the Bucks communities. I don't care who we are talking about - he or she has a responsibility not to infect people in other communities. Leadership is about setting an example.


OK - the choices are

1) Stay in hospital (I'm sure no-one would mind him taking up a hospital bed when others may need it more)
2) Downing St - where 200* people are working and running government during a national crisis. I'm sure having a sick -and as you point out, possibly infectious man would be a point of valid criticism.
3) Chequers.

All the possibilities of passing on the virus exist wherever he goes. Where's the safest place out of the 3 options?


*200 under normal circumstances. May be less, could be more at the moment.
 

winjim

Smash the cistern
Sorry, I take it back. Third it is, as the flat that the cops attended is presumably out of the picture. The flat they live in at Downing St is the mahoosive one above no 11. Presumably they are renting out the massive house they've just bought in Camberwell (counting dwellings is one thing, counting incomes will be a bit more of a challenge). And of course the house he and his ex have just sold for something in the region of £4M doesn't count. All in it together, see.
Common people, mate. He lives in a flat above a shop.
 

Rocky

Hello decadence
OK - the choices are

1) Stay in hospital (I'm sure no-one would mind him taking up a hospital bed when others may need it more)
2) Downing St - where 200* people are working and running government during a national crisis. I'm sure having a sick -and as you point out, possibly infectious man would be a point of valid criticism.
3) Chequers.

All the possibilities of passing on the virus exist wherever he goes. Where's the safest place out of the 3 options?


*200 under normal circumstances. May be less, could be more at the moment.
Downing Street......he has a flat there. 200 people don't share his flat with him. He won't be walking around the offices.....the bloke is sick.
 

roubaixtuesday

self serving virtue signaller
Headline in "Dagens Nyheter" - Sweden's newspaper of record - today

Stockholms insatser för att stoppa coronaviruset har misslyckats på flera punkter. Nu är det viktigt att resten av landet inte gör om samma fel.

My very ropey translation:

"Stockholm's attempts to stop coronavirus had many mistakes. Now it's essential other regions do not make the same errors"
 
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