Coronavirus outbreak

[PK99]

This is the best data we have. Your argument against merely amounts to paranoid ravings. Claiming it's all $CONSPIRACY_THEORY is all very well - but you have to come up with facts, not disjointed allegations (and that's being charitable, you're not even making any sort of logical sense). So prove it.

I'm tempted to plead with the mods to ban RacingRoadKill, but on reflection think that letting loose into the real world such a malignant virus would be a bad idea - better to keep it contained here where its harm is minimized.

 

[Rusty Nails]

This is the best data we have. Your argument against merely amounts to paranoid ravings. Claiming it's all $CONSPIRACY_THEORY is all very well - but you have to come up with facts, not disjointed allegations (and that's being charitable, you're not even making any sort of logical sense). So prove it.

He's had one post deleted already today because of its absurdity. It's an obsession that hopefully he will grow out of.

 

[PK99]

since all this kicked off I give everyone a wide berth anyway, if I see pedestrians on the pavement I move right over into the road.

A boy racer didn’t like me doing this and stopped to have a go, the old dear on the pavement destroyed the kid before I even uttered a word it was a thing of beauty haha

Other cyclists the same, If I overtake I wait for ages before pulling back across, and if someone goes past me I slow right down and allow the gap to open up.

After having problems with cyclists and runners passing on the pavement, from behind and FAR FAR to close and being ignored when complaining, I AM going to take to carrying a hefty walking stick which I intend to stick out horizontally on occasion - if anyone hits it they are passing too close and it is their problem, not mine

 

[Rusty Nails]

Sorry if this has previously been mentioned but I ain't reading through 7k of posts.
I wish the media, the authorities, the government etc would just call it one thing or the other, one minute it's Corona Virus, the next Cofid 19.
Why can't they just call it one name and stick to it.

Or even Covid-19

 

[BrumJim]

Sorry if this has previously been mentioned but I ain't reading through 7k of posts.
I wish the media, the authorities, the government etc would just call it one thing or the other, one minute it's Corona Virus, the next Cofid 19.
Why can't they just call it one name and stick to it.

Even more confusingly:
The virus is actually called SARS-CoV-2. It is a type of Coronavirus of which there are many causing anything from a common cold to the sort of thing that can easily kill. When this virus arrived, it didn't have a name as it was a new type that hasn't been seen before. So firstly they named the illness after the year in which it first appeared, hence COVID-19. The virus is called SARS-CoV as it is a coronavirus similar genetically to SARS. 2, I guess, as the sequel.
So SARS-CoV-2, named in February this year, causes COVID-19, the illness.
WHO would know such a thing.

 

[mjr]

Or even Covid-19

Better to use its purchaser's name for it: covfefe

 

[mjr]

How much spacing when running or cycling?

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/lif.../+Media&utm_campaign=Shared+Web+Article+Links

Article gets Paris exercise ban time wrong: treat with caution.

 

[Unkraut]

Not much new from Prof Streeck tonight. What was interesting was a pathologist from Hamburg who is the only one in the country to do autopsies to establish the cause of death in patients tested positive with corona. He found that not one of them had died from the virus, in all cases existing conditions had led to their death. In the debate about dying of or dying with the disease in all cases it is dying with in his experience. He also reckoned that when the annual statistics come to be done for the whole year there will not be any discernible increase in the average number of deaths. In all likelihood all those who will have died with the disease would have done so anyway within a reasonable period of time.

He was in no sense saying the containment measures were not necessary, hospital capacity needs to be protected, but that far too much unnecessary fear of corona has been spread among the general population for whom those who are younger and more healthy have little to fear.

 

[PK99]

Not much new from Prof Streeck tonight. What was interesting was a pathologist from Hamburg who is the only one in the country to do autopsies to establish the cause of death in patients tested positive with corona. He found that not one of them had died from the virus, in all cases existing conditions had led to their death. In the debate about dying of or dying with the disease in all cases it is dying with in his experience. He also reckoned that when the annual statistics come to be done for the whole year there will not be any discernible increase in the average number of deaths. In all likelihood all those who will have died with the disease would have done so anyway within a reasonable period of time.

He was in no sense saying the containment measures were not necessary, hospital capacity needs to be protected, but that far too much unnecessary fear of corona has been spread among the general population for whom those who are younger and more healthy have little to fear.

Interesting post.

From the outset that has been my interpretation - as with prostate cancer, more people die with than of - weeks ago (it seems) I referenced here a report suggesting that the outcome, in term of excess deaths over the year, would be much smaller that initial fears suggested. Essentially, at the level of the individual, compressing the risk of death in the next 12 months into the next two months.

The issue was, and remains, at the population level controlling infection RATE to avoid overloading health services

 

[MarkF]

Not much new from Prof Streeck tonight. What was interesting was a pathologist from Hamburg who is the only one in the country to do autopsies to establish the cause of death in patients tested positive with corona. He found that not one of them had died from the virus, in all cases existing conditions had led to their death. In the debate about dying of or dying with the disease in all cases it is dying with in his experience. He also reckoned that when the annual statistics come to be done for the whole year there will not be any discernible increase in the average number of deaths. In all likelihood all those who will have died with the disease would have done so anyway within a reasonable period of time.

He was in no sense saying the containment measures were not necessary, hospital capacity needs to be protected, but that far too much unnecessary fear of corona has been spread among the general population for whom those who are younger and more healthy have little to fear.

There is a dread and morbid fear of the virus that provokes irrational behaviour, so that the vast majority kicking off and demanding an ambulance to hospital, don't have the virus.

I don't know if any medical people on here could shed any light but I have seen an A4 file passing between our medics that I am forbidden to view. It's called "The Cornomoaner Files".

 

[Yellow Fang]

Not much new from Prof Streeck tonight. What was interesting was a pathologist from Hamburg who is the only one in the country to do autopsies to establish the cause of death in patients tested positive with corona. He found that not one of them had died from the virus, in all cases existing conditions had led to their death. In the debate about dying of or dying with the disease in all cases it is dying with in his experience. He also reckoned that when the annual statistics come to be done for the whole year there will not be any discernible increase in the average number of deaths. In all likelihood all those who will have died with the disease would have done so anyway within a reasonable period of time.

He was in no sense saying the containment measures were not necessary, hospital capacity needs to be protected, but that far too much unnecessary fear of corona has been spread among the general population for whom those who are younger and more healthy have little to fear.

Peter Hitchens has been saying that, like prostate cancer, people have been dying with the disease, not because of it.

Most victims are already elderly or have other health conditions. If they could on average be expected to live another five years then crashing the economy would be worth it. If it's only six months then it's probably not, but still it would be terrible to see the health services completely overwhelmed, with elderly patients dying in corridors and makeshift wards with next to no medical treatment. The government would certainly receive a lot of criticism for it.

The disease seems to be more deadly if you get a high initial dose. The Chinese doctor who was punished for whistle blowing died of the disease and he was quite young.

 

[DaveReading]

So SARS-CoV-2, named in February this year, causes COVID-19, the illness.

And of course COVID-19 is simply shorthand for CO[rona]VI[rus]D[isease]-[20]19.

 

[kingrollo]

Not much new from Prof Streeck tonight. What was interesting was a pathologist from Hamburg who is the only one in the country to do autopsies to establish the cause of death in patients tested positive with corona. He found that not one of them had died from the virus, in all cases existing conditions had led to their death. In the debate about dying of or dying with the disease in all cases it is dying with in his experience. He also reckoned that when the annual statistics come to be done for the whole year there will not be any discernible increase in the average number of deaths. In all likelihood all those who will have died with the disease would have done so anyway within a reasonable period of time.

He was in no sense saying the containment measures were not necessary, hospital capacity needs to be protected, but that far too much unnecessary fear of corona has been spread among the general population for whom those who are younger and more healthy have little to fear.

Thing is I have asthma - but it impacts on my life not one jot (apart from puffing 3 inhalers each morning).
I would consider myself a healthy 56 year old - yet I am in a high risk group for CV. Would the prof you mention consider my asthma is going to kill me anyway ? - it doesn't feel like a life threating illness.

 

[DaveReading]

Thing is I have asthma - but it impacts on my life not one jot (apart from puffing 3 inhalers each morning).
I would consider myself a healthy 56 year old - yet I am in a high risk group for CV.

The advice is that mild, managed asthma does not put you at any greater risk than a non-sufferer.

 

[fossyant]

My son is so called 'high risk' as he is Type 1, but young, slim and fit. I do wish stats would stop classifying diabetes together, as it's not the same disease. T1 is caused by an autoimmune disease that kills off the pancreas, type 2 is very much age, diet, weight related that develops insulin resistance. It would be useful to know how many are obese T2's, as both those are factors.

We aren't seeing any count of deaths in care homes, only the occasional figure reporting around a fith of resident's have died in a particular home. It's worrying for those of us with relatives in care homes, especilly ones that will die if they get this. It's like a ticking time bomb.