Coronavirus outbreak

[mjr]

I have posted it a page or two before

Im not gonna comment as any opinion different to official is not allowed

The swprs (or something like that) link that differs from the reported standard figures?

And the worry is not that your view is different from "official" (deity knows, there's plenty of us criticising official views here), but that it reads like it's different from human, that 99% of deaths don't matter because they had other health problems!

 

[Eziemnaik]

The swprs (or something like that) link that differs from the reported standard figures?

And the worry is not that your view is different from "official" (deity knows, there's plenty of us criticising official views here), but that it reads like it's different from human, that 99% of deaths don't matter because they had other health problems!

No, the Italian centre for diseases.

See, you are making me a monster

 

[Racing roadkill]

Still probably wouldn't be dead now without CV 19 so that seems accurate, doesn't it?

That’s the point, it’s like saying count someone who died because they got hit by a bus, but had CV-19 in their system, as a CV-19 death.

 

[mjr]

No, the Italian centre for diseases.

See, you are making me a monster

I didn't find that link. Twice now.

I'm not making you a monster. You posted something that looks monstrous and refuse to clarify any other meaning.

 

[Eziemnaik]

https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/sars-cov-2-decessi-italia

I am not commenting as when I did that before I was told I dont have a clue
So again, pure stats

 

[tom73]

The irony that it's taken a deadly respiratory disease to being down deadly air pollution levels.
Just as many can benefit from latter they are prevented by the former.
Hopefully more will start to question how we keep them down once this is over.

 

[Eziemnaik]

The irony that it's taken a deadly respiratory disease to being down deadly air pollution levels.
Just as many can benefit from latter they are prevented by the former.
Hopefully more will start to question how we keep them down once this is over.

I think as much as we all would like that to happen it will not be happening. When asking friends what are they gonna do afterwards they usually say go on a holiday

 

[kingrollo]

That’s the point, it’s like saying count someone who died because they got hit by a bus, but had CV-19 in their system, as a CV-19 death.

It's absolutely nothing like that. As you well know.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

Could there be something in this -

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.24.20042937v1

COVID-19 has spread to most countries in the world. Puzzlingly, the impact of the disease is different in different countries. These differences are attributed to differences in cultural norms, mitigation efforts, and health infrastructure. Here we propose that national differences in COVID-19 impact could be partially explained by the different national policies respect to Bacillus Calmette-Guerin (BCG) childhood vaccination. BCG vaccination has been reported to offer broad protection to respiratory infections.

Spain has had over 13000 deaths but Portugal only 340 - both on the same peninsula. Portugal has BCG vaccination programme, Spain doesn't.

The UK stopped mass BCG in 2005

 

[DCLane]

The irony that it's taken a deadly respiratory disease to being down deadly air pollution levels.
Just as many can benefit from latter they are prevented by the former.
Hopefully more will start to question how we keep them down once this is over.

I think as much as we all would like that to happen it will not be happening. When asking friends what are they gonna do afterwards they usually say go on a holiday

I'm guessing some employers will decide the 'working from home' aspect saves money and is more productive: my neighbour's office isn't re-opening after this is over so they're all going to continue working from home.

 

[Pale Rider]

It's absolutely nothing like that. As you well know.

There is some interpretation to be done.

Many deaths are similar to that of Eddie Large.

He was admitted to hospital - virus free - with a serious heart problem.

He caught the virus in hospital and died.

Death may have been imminent anyway, so a reasonable view is the virus speeded his demise, but didn't entirely cause it.

It was the final straw that finished him off, but it's not quite accurate to day he died of the virus.

The BBC has taken to reporting such cases as '...died with corona virus' which is a fair attempt at getting the meaning across.

The NHS reports deaths as those with underlying health issues and those without.

Apportioning the impact of the two things is difficult.

No doubt some underlying health issue deaths will have been of patients who had lived with their underlying issue for a long time, and would have lived with it for years to come had they not caught the virus.

But some patients will already have been on borrowed time.

Ultimately, it may not matter.

The virus is fiercely contagious and can kill anyone, so the case to throw everything at it to stop it is already made.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-52136768

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

 

[kingrollo]

There is some interpretation to be done.

Many deaths are similar to that of Eddie Large.

He was admitted to hospital - virus free - with a serious heart problem.

He caught the virus in hospital and died.

Death may have been imminent anyway, so a reasonable view is the virus speeded his demise, but didn't entirely cause it.

It was the final straw that finished him off, but it's not quite accurate to day he died of the virus.

The BBC has taken to reporting such cases as '...died with corona virus' which is a fair attempt at getting the meaning across.

The NHS reports deaths as those with underlying health issues and those without.

Apportioning the impact of the two things is difficult.

No doubt some underlying health issue deaths will have been of patients who had lived with their underlying issue for a long time, and would have lived with it for years to come had they not caught the virus.

But some patients will already have been on borrowed time.

Ultimately, it may not matter.

The virus is fiercely contagious and can kill anyone, so the case to throw everything at it to stop it is already made.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-52136768

What to put on death certs has always been controversial

A few years back my father suffered a heart attack - he survived but was never the same after it - a few months after he developed a cough was admitted to hospital - a few days later his heart was so weak he couldn't clear the fluid from his lungs - and pneumonia developed - he died shortly afterwards. IMO his weak heart killed him - but pneumonia was listed as the cause of death.

 

[Eziemnaik]

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...bby-to-rewrite-carbon-deal-due-to-coronavirus

So some of the worst polluters are already trying to make sure the business goes on as usual


View: https://twitter.com/jennineak/status/1247718308377313280?s=20

 

[Low Gear Guy]

One theory is that the virus can attach to dust particles such as exhaust particulates as well as solid surfaces. An increase in pollution could result in a new peak of cases.

Edit:
www.simaonlus.it/wpsima/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/COVID_19_position-paper_ENG.pdf