Coronavirus outbreak

[tom73]

Cycled into Harrogate this morning (to show him all the short cuts and ways of avoiding big roundabouts) with my son who has just started work at the new Nightingale hospital created in Harrogate conference centre. The place looks alarming. Giant blue fence surrounds it, security including the army and huge oxygen tanks outside the Royal Hall. Made me shudder.

Better not take a trip round the back of our hospital then huge oxygen tanks sit next to rose cottage or it's official name the morgue.

 

[pubrunner]

Shouldn't Pritti Patel, as the secretary of state responsible for our borders have been ramping up screening/education/information provision?

Yes . . . . . . . the problem is though, we are bombarded with conflicting information on a daily (hourly) basis.

We are told by our government, that we should stay indoors, social distancing etc., etc.

I've been reading today, comments from an expert {Professor Russell Viner} who is questioning the 'value' of keeping schools closed; he's not the only expert to have made such comments.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52180783

How can we have schools open and maintain social distancing ? If schools were to re-open soon, how many of us would be happy to send our children back in such circumstances ?

On the other side of the coin, there are those experts who don't share the opinion of Professor Viner and indeed, state that we should have this 'lockdown' for 'many weeks', and potentially, much longer.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-last-weeks-more-across-europe-officials-warn

If we look abroad, the evidence to be seen, is contradictory; I've read reports that Sweden is 'getting it right', but then I've read the same for Germany & Hong Kong. Each is dealing with the situation in an entirely different way, but each is (if you believe the reports) reacting in the 'best' way.

All this ^^^ information is coming out frequently - that we 'should' be following the model of Hong Kong/Germany/Sweden or we 'should' have a long lock-down (or not).

It is difficult to know with any certainty, which is the best approach to follow, given that every country is at a different stage of the disease. That said, I think that when the matter is settled, we need to ensure that the superb NHS has adequate facilities to deal with such incidents.

 

[Mo1959]

I think leadership is important during these challenging times. Sunak, Vallance, Whitty and Boris have shown it. Other ministers, such as Gove, Hancock, Sharma and Jenrick have been found wanting. People expect their top politicians to step up to the plate. I’m disappointed - people are making huge sacrifices and deserve support.

I found Raab’s daily brief yesterday pretty uninspiring too.

 

[Rocky]

I found Raab’s daily brief yesterday pretty uninspiring too.

Yes, silly me, how could I have forgotten him

 

[tom73]

Yes, silly me, how could I have forgotten him

Easily sadly

 

[Rocky]

Cycled into Harrogate this morning (to show him all the short cuts and ways of avoiding big roundabouts) with my son who has just started work at the new Nightingale hospital created in Harrogate conference centre. The place looks alarming. Giant blue fence surrounds it, security including the army and huge oxygen tanks outside the Royal Hall. Made me shudder.

I hope all goes well for your son and he stays fit and healthy. We owe him a massive vote of thanks

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Boris is in intensive care. I wish him all the best and hope he fully recovers soon.

The BBC is reporting this:
Our reporters have just been briefed on the latest news regarding the condition of UK prime minister Boris Johnson - who spent the night in intensive care after his coronavirus symptoms worsened.

Downing Street says the prime minister was stable overnight and remains in good spirits.

He is receiving "standard" oxygen treatment and is breathing without any other assistance, a spokesperson says.

He has not required mechanical ventilation or non-invasive respiratory support.

The prime minister has not had a pneumonia diagnosis, the spokesperson adds.

If this is the case, why is he taking up a valuable bed in ICU that could be used to save someone's life? My son is working at a London teaching hospital and its ICU is full. Actually, I believe Boris does need the ICU bed and is in a worse condition than No 10 is saying. Please stop taking us for fools - either tell the truth or don't comment.

The messages on how he’s been doing have always been contradictory out of the no. 10 office. It’s almost as though they are geared to never give bad news. Keep it upbeat. Really there should not be any comment from them now and patient confidentiality should apply.

Like anyone in ICU you wish them the best outcome possible.

 

[tom73]

The messages on how he’s been doing have always been contradictory out of the no. 10 office. It’s almost as though they are geared to never give bad news. Keep it upbeat. Really there should not be any comment from them now and patient confidentiality should apply.

Like anyone in ICU you wish them the best outcome possible.

The modern quest for minute by minute blow news and the need for everything to be instant.
Sadly won't allow it happen. like anyone who's ill enough he's in the right place and it's a waiting game.
One things for sure all the staff will see is sick guy called Boris and will just do what they always do.
As for Boris he's probably pretty much terrified right now.

 

[Skibird]

758 in just England today!!

 

[mjr]

I think leadership is important during these challenging times. Sunak, Vallance, Whitty and Boris have shown it. Other ministers, such as Gove, Hancock, Sharma and Jenrick have been found wanting. [...]

Sunak OK. Boris borderline but he has a big justification for doing it. I find Whitty's unblinking stares terrifying and I don't even remember which one is Vallance so that's hardly a ringing endorsement of their leadership. I agree about Gove, Hancock and Sharmer, while Jenrick is another I can't picture.

Does anyone really think Patel on TV from Downing Street would end well just now? Let's leave it to Sunak, Raab and Hancock (despite what we think, the deputy PM and the health minister have pretty big claims to be there) and - when he's recovered - Boris and not keeping adding cooks.

 

[mjr]

Two of our street have had their septic tanks emptied this week and another tanker's just gone past. Consequences of plentiful toilet roll purchasing?

More likely just due to many more people being at home...

 

[newfhouse]

By the way, has anyone seen the Home Secretary in the last few weeks? She seems to have vanished, which is quite odd considering the restrictions on movement of the population is right up her street. Why haven't we seen her at press conferences answering questions?

Working from her holiday home in the occupied territories?

 

[Buck]

Yes, silly me, how could I have forgotten him

I thought he was dancing with his answers and being very very carefulto stay on message as he tried to shield the new about Boris.

 

[Eziemnaik]

Some more reading and Italian stats for anyone bored...
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

 

[Rocky]

An inappropriate and churlish statement; do you suppose that if Corbyn or Starmer were in the same situation as Johnson, their treatment would be any different ?

Incredible, that there are some on this forum, who can’t resist making political comments about a situation such as this.

I'm not saying this to make political points....but the reality is that either Boris needs to be in ICU and is being intubated and on a ventilator or if he is just having oxygen and is doing well, as Gove/Raab have suggested, then he is getting special treatment and using an ICU bed that a really sick person needs.

My view is that he is being intubated and that he is getting the same care that you or I would be getting with the same symptoms. I just don't think the No 10 spin machine is helping the situation. I sincerely hope he recovers quickly and is up and about soon - the same goes for Ms Simmons and everyone else with the virus.