mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Surely we knew it was likely?1st Nurse death being reported
Just seen off Mrs 73 on her night shift.
Sure makes you think.
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kingrollo
Guru
I've never liked the Tories - but trying to be neutral is it just me - or are we close to loosing control of the whole thing here....
We don't seem to have enough of anything , ITU beds, ventilators , well I don't suppose you have a massive stash of them...but given this started to get serious mid Jan - we still don't have masks for our frontline staff, testing seems all over the place - as does the lockdown - and then each day we are promised stuff that never arrives ....
We don't seem to have enough of anything , ITU beds, ventilators , well I don't suppose you have a massive stash of them...but given this started to get serious mid Jan - we still don't have masks for our frontline staff, testing seems all over the place - as does the lockdown - and then each day we are promised stuff that never arrives ....
If "we" are sensible we can choke the spread of the virus but yes, considering the government's slowness to act and arguable incompetence against a backdrop of an NHS that's been run into the ground for decades, it's not looking too hot for those who will require hospital care.
I imagine the government are crapping themselves - while it's just the odd granny not getting her hip replacement or dad dying of a heart attack having waited too long, they can get away with defunding the NHS / chopping it up and flogging its contracts off peacemeal to their cronies' private healthcare companies.
Conversely in the face of a nationwide crisis of a size unseen for a generation, the effects of their greed are laid bare to be seen by all who can see past the empty tokenistic gestures, synthetic gratitude and transparent politically-motivated rhetoric. If the NHS and its staff are such a valuable national asset, why have the incumbent government been systematically trying to destroy it for the past however-many decades?
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Because they worship ££££££ mammon.
This current situation is just turning into a right mess nothing looks to be joined up or coordinated.
The right people are not making the key decisions, the ones in power at all levels are unwilling to admit they need help and let ones.
Who really can fix it and know how to get things moving from doing anything other then proving an extra pair of hands.
So much of the national decisions are now made at local level with one bunch of politicians blaming another and in turn they blame the other back. Hospital trusts all doing what they like under one brand no longer managed by medical professionals. GP's now in charge of each other free to work to guidelines they put in place. Public services that everyone want's but no-one is willing to pay for, public that don't value them , happy to miss use them and slag them off. Dealing with anything like the current situation was never going to simple but boy they are making it a lot harder than it has to be.
Once this is over government and society will need to have a real think about making some real change to how we do things , the way we are governed both at national and local level. Together with forgetting the idea that some body else can pay for the services that we clearly need.
The right people are not making the key decisions, the ones in power at all levels are unwilling to admit they need help and let ones.
Who really can fix it and know how to get things moving from doing anything other then proving an extra pair of hands.
So much of the national decisions are now made at local level with one bunch of politicians blaming another and in turn they blame the other back. Hospital trusts all doing what they like under one brand no longer managed by medical professionals. GP's now in charge of each other free to work to guidelines they put in place. Public services that everyone want's but no-one is willing to pay for, public that don't value them , happy to miss use them and slag them off. Dealing with anything like the current situation was never going to simple but boy they are making it a lot harder than it has to be.
Once this is over government and society will need to have a real think about making some real change to how we do things , the way we are governed both at national and local level. Together with forgetting the idea that some body else can pay for the services that we clearly need.
- Location
- London
Agree that the questions weren't answered.The first few briefing questions were asking about the delays in testing and why the rhetoric about ramping up tests, especially for the NHS staff does not match the reality.
I am so bloody angry that Sharma and Yvonne Doyle are not answering any of the questions just repeating the mantra that progress is being made and plans are in place. It's all about ignoring past performance and look how well we will be doing. No admission at all that things could have been done better.
Cummings may be in self-isolation but his acolytes are still calling the shots.
And the journalists might have been more persistent if there was more time and if boris had been stood there.
Anyone know where he is?
I thought his symptoms were supposed to be mild.
matticus
Guru
In a thread with regular predictions of 1000s of deaths? Grim, yes
Mo1959
Legendary Member
- Location
- Perthshire,Scotland
Think the most important lesson will be just how important health and social care staff actually are plus all the other so called working class. Just hope they are not forgotten again very quickly once we are in recovery.
- Location
- London
Agree totally.
Just waffle, praise for nhs staff etc.
If the briefings continue on this curve they will soon be inviting us all to sing a hymn with them.
Johnno260
Guru
- Location
- East Sussex
Thing is with the shortage of ventilators, it’s a shortage for this crisis, I’m sure having a stockpile of these things brings up other issues. Storing them correctly, making sure nothing on them has expired etc etc
but we should consider have more ITU beds per head like in Italy and Germany.
As the worry I have is the Italians are better provisioned than the NHS and it’s not exactly a party over there.
but we should consider have more ITU beds per head like in Italy and Germany.
As the worry I have is the Italians are better provisioned than the NHS and it’s not exactly a party over there.
- Location
- Glasgow
As I posted last week, this boy was the nephew of my colleague.
He died last Tuesday, it took a week to do the corona virus tests post mortem.
He wasn't well, but of course nobody has access to a GP's visit anymore.
Like others that develop the corona virus symptoms, one is told to self isolate for 7 days, if you then still feel ill, you can phone the NHS 111 helpline.
Seven days was too late for him: his heart stopped while he was still at home, he got intubated in the ambulance, but one of his lungs collapsed.
He didn't make it to the hospital.
Maybe if he had been tested sooner, got to hospital sooner, he could have been saved?
The family will never know.
Yes, I fear you are correct.
Putting yourself at risk due to taking short cuts in the use of correct PPE is one thing. Willing to do your job out a sense of duty to others.
Even though you have nothing better then a bit of cloth , a bit of plastic and pair of gloves if your lucky is quite another.
Health care staff don't need to die at work because of this.
They are and will because people well out of the danger are happy to let it happen.
Why worry after all we've always got the death is service payment to look forward to and after all every little helps.
Mo1959
Legendary Member
- Location
- Perthshire,Scotland
Sadly I think there will be a lot more cases like this as it’s been drummed into us not to bother gps or hospitals. There will be more that leave it too late.
That is not quite right in terms of 111 guidance.
When I phoned 111 I was told to self isolate for 7 days but to call back in if symptoms, esp breathing, became significantly worse. The message I had was not a simple wait 7 days.
